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A crescendo of deliberate continuity errors
« on: December 20, 2024, 03:09:04 AM »
I think with Twelve Months we will reach a crescendo of continuity errors.  Well, maybe Peace Talks and Battle Ground was where the crescendo occured and Twelve Months will contain the coda of the continuity errors we have been seeing for a long time now.  The topic of continuity errors isn’t anything new, but I noticed how both frequent and egregious they became in Peace Talks and Battle Ground and I am seeing them in my most recent reread of Skin Game, which I’m only half way through.

It is particularly noticeable in Peace Talks when Harry tells Lara while they are doing some staff training that he has a guy watching Justine but at the end of Battle Ground Lara berates Harry for not telling her that he had someone watching Justine. 

In Skin Game, while Butters was telling Harry all the reasons why he was losing trust in him, he told Harry that his ghost told Butters and company that he was dead and gone.  Of course, that didn’t happen at all.  Harry’s ghost self specifically told Butters that he didn’t know if his condition was permanent.  It was Mort who was certain that Harry having produced a shade meant that the real Harry was dead and gone.

There is also the dream sequence in Skin Game where Harry sees multiple versions of himself and Molly driving down the same road.  These errors are not errors at all, but clues to the fact that a multiverse is in existence.  Actually, I think that is pretty obvious by now to just about everyone.  I think what isn’t obvious is what this will lead to.  It will lead to a confrontation and conclusion in Mirror Mirror.

The real significance of Mirror Mirror won’t be Harry meeting his evil self.  The Harry that made one bad choice in Grave Peril that led to series of other bad choices.  Superficially, that is exactly what will happen, but I suspect the greater significance of this meeting is it will lead to a fulcrum event.  When all the alternate versions of Harry and company will settle onto a single path, for better or for worse.   

All the slightly different versions don’t necessarily have to become one; though I suppose that might happen, but either our Harry wins and all the other versions of Harry can continue to fight the good fight or all of them are tainted or cut short by Alt-Harry’s path. 

I think with the conclusion of Mirror Mirror, we will see the end of the Brighter Future Society and the Better Future Society seeming to exist at the same time, along with other minor contradictions, unless Jim makes a real mistake and none of the Beta readers spot it.
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Re: A crescendo of deliberate continuity errors
« Reply #1 on: December 20, 2024, 02:57:19 PM »
Here's to hoping in the Evil Harry 'verse that everything else is definitively better - like Murphy still alive, Molly neither the Winter Lady nor under the White Counsel's sword, Susan still alive and raising Maggie, the Red Court and Outsiders in their places or maybe even defeated, etc. - so Harry knows if he'd have made different decisions that turned him evil, the world and the people he loved would be much better off.  Fulcrum, indeed, plus personal depression.

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Re: A crescendo of deliberate continuity errors
« Reply #2 on: December 20, 2024, 03:52:57 PM »
I agree. I think that the best evidence would be a continuity error in Peace Talks and Battle Ground. They were originally written as one book before coming out as a two-parter.

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Re: A crescendo of deliberate continuity errors
« Reply #3 on: December 21, 2024, 03:21:19 AM »
Here's to hoping in the Evil Harry 'verse that everything else is definitively better - like Murphy still alive, Molly neither the Winter Lady nor under the White Counsel's sword, Susan still alive and raising Maggie, the Red Court and Outsiders in their places or maybe even defeated, etc. - so Harry knows if he'd have made different decisions that turned him evil, the world and the people he loved would be much better off.  Fulcrum, indeed, plus personal depression.
Oh no. That would be awful.
I think in the Evil Harry verse there would be no Maggie, and that is what convinces our Harry that he did the right choice.
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Re: A crescendo of deliberate continuity errors
« Reply #4 on: December 21, 2024, 03:34:47 AM »
But you KNOW how much Butcher likes to torture Dresden.

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Re: A crescendo of deliberate continuity errors
« Reply #5 on: December 21, 2024, 03:50:55 AM »
Yes, I know. I am very aware, but I am not forced to like it. With moderation, it is ok, but sometimes it is too much, and he has already suffered more than enough.
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Re: A crescendo of deliberate continuity errors
« Reply #6 on: December 22, 2024, 01:01:30 PM »
Yes, I know. I am very aware, but I am not forced to like it. With moderation, it is ok, but sometimes it is too much, and he has already suffered more than enough.

Agreed. One can go to that well too many times, and it gets boring after a while. 

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Re: A crescendo of deliberate continuity errors
« Reply #7 on: December 22, 2024, 10:50:17 PM »
Agreed. One can go to that well too many times, and it gets boring after a while.

Agreed.
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Re: A crescendo of deliberate continuity errors
« Reply #8 on: December 23, 2024, 02:31:50 AM »
Here's to hoping in the Evil Harry 'verse that everything else is definitively better - like Murphy still alive, Molly neither the Winter Lady nor under the White Counsel's sword, Susan still alive and raising Maggie, the Red Court and Outsiders in their places or maybe even defeated, etc. - so Harry knows if he'd have made different decisions that turned him evil, the world and the people he loved would be much better off.  Fulcrum, indeed, plus personal depression.

I'm pretty sure it's going to be the reverse of that; things will be much worse in the Mirrorverse.

The book is particularly taking inspo from the old ST:TOS episode (where everything was worse).

The other thing I expect we'll see a lot of influence from is the old Jimmy Stewart movie It's a Wonderful Life, where the protag gets to see the alt-timeline if he hadn't been there just being himself, being a good person.

Susan _will_ be there... but maybe as a fully-turned Rampire?  Not Harry's friend!  No Maggie-Jr, ofc.

EvilHarry will be allied with Mavra.

Murphy will have spotted EvilHarry as a bad guy, and thus have zero trust for HarryPrime.

Michael won't have retired the way he did; he might be dead, he might just be much worse off -- loss and tragedy within his own family?



Worst of all, of course -- EvilHarry will wear a hat.
 

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Re: A crescendo of deliberate continuity errors
« Reply #9 on: December 23, 2024, 11:03:13 AM »
Worst of all, of course -- EvilHarry will wear a hat.

Oh yes. This.
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Re: A crescendo of deliberate continuity errors
« Reply #10 on: December 23, 2024, 10:54:54 PM »
Oh yes. This. 

The question thus becomes:  what will we see on the cover?

Will we see two Harrys fighting?
Will there be any hats?
Will they be fighting over a hat?
Maybe... an Evil Hat?

And, looping back to my "Soulgaze" thread -- will Harry Soulgaze Harry??!?   :o

 ;D

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Re: A crescendo of deliberate continuity errors
« Reply #11 on: December 23, 2024, 11:14:31 PM »
The question thus becomes:  what will we see on the cover?

Will we see two Harrys fighting?
Will there be any hats?
Will they be fighting over a hat?
Maybe... an Evil Hat?

And, looping back to my "Soulgaze" thread -- will Harry Soulgaze Harry??!?   :o

 ;D
And will he have a goatee?

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Re: A crescendo of deliberate continuity errors
« Reply #12 on: December 24, 2024, 04:01:27 PM »
The question thus becomes:  what will we see on the cover?

Will we see two Harrys fighting?
Will there be any hats?
Will they be fighting over a hat?
Maybe... an Evil Hat?

And, looping back to my "Soulgaze" thread -- will Harry Soulgaze Harry??!?   :o

 ;D

This is so awesome! I laughed at the evil hat joke and I can't believe I never thought about Harry soulgazing himself. That is incredibly clever.
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Re: A crescendo of deliberate continuity errors
« Reply #13 on: December 24, 2024, 04:38:58 PM »
This is so awesome! I laughed at the evil hat joke ...

Merry Christmas, or Happy Hannukah, should you celebrate either of those (or pagan Yule, or Dongzhi, or any other day special to you & yours).

Or enjoy just because!   :D

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Re: A crescendo of deliberate continuity errors
« Reply #14 on: December 24, 2024, 07:04:16 PM »
Thank you! Same for you! I hope you and your family have a great time.
I am a catholic, so I am celebrating. But actually I would celebrate anyways because December 25 is my birthday  :)
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