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Re: True Love as Defense against White Court Vampires
« Reply #15 on: July 31, 2024, 01:04:30 AM »
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Re: True Love as Defense against White Court Vampires
« Reply #16 on: January 23, 2025, 04:19:00 PM »
Necro'ing this (sorry... notsorry) with another thought.
1st Corinthians 13:13 says:
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And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.

Per the WoJ quoted previously, we have a definitive answer.

But I wonder if that was one of those occasional lies he uses.  Like, sure... "True Hope" addresses despair, and the Hopeful will burn a Skavis-whamp; but perhaps (I suggest) so will Love.

I'm not at all convinced of this, but Jim has given us plenty of signals that he's drawing heavily on the Bible for large swaths of his world-building, and "love" in particular looms large in the Dresdenverse...
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Re: True Love as Defense against White Court Vampires
« Reply #17 on: January 23, 2025, 07:52:58 PM »
I wish we could see a moment of bravery or hope protecting against vampires. Michael, we know, easily rejects vampires. But I wonder if we could see Harry or Marcone or Butters protected from fear vampires. I mean, only for their bravery, not for carrying a sacred sword or something.
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Re: True Love as Defense against White Court Vampires
« Reply #18 on: January 24, 2025, 02:16:17 PM »
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That's a thing right there, though.  We don't know the 'mechanism' by which courage would mess with Malvora or hope with Skavis.  We've seen the protective mechanism at work with love and Raith, but how would it work with the others?  We just don't know.

  Maybe a medal?  Medals are given out for valor, every country has them, and not just for bravery on the battlefield.. I can see Butters really kicking ass, not just because he is a Holy Knight now, but because when we first meet him we find out that he stood up for truth and it cost him dearly, yet he stood up.
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Re: True Love as Defense against White Court Vampires
« Reply #19 on: January 25, 2025, 06:41:02 PM »
Butters is very brave. He even stand to the Titan to protect Harry.

And yes, a medal is a good idea.
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Re: True Love as Defense against White Court Vampires
« Reply #20 on: February 08, 2025, 04:18:42 AM »
We also have this from a conversation Harry had with Thomas in Blood Rites:

"The last time you were with anyone, it was with Susan. You love each other. Her touch, her love is still upon you, and still protecting you."

"If that's true, then why I am still adjusting my pants every time Lara walks by?"

Thomas shrugged. "You're human. She's lovely and you haven't gotten any in a while. But trust me, Harry. None of the White Court could wholly control or feed from you now."

In this instance, Thomas could be an unreliable narrator.  Then again, maybe true love inspires hope and faith to the degree that Harry could at that time and now, resist both Skavis and Malvora, though perhaps not to the same degree as House Raith. Also, maybe Harry’s touch wouldn’t burn them.  Maybe it would burn them as well, but not as bad as Wamp who was a member of House Raith.  I’m just guessing here, but I’m trying to apply some logic to this as well.

If you want to bring up what happened at the end of the duel in the Raith Deeps, you have to factor in that Vito’s ability to crush Harry and company with despair was turbocharged by an Outsider.  Perhaps one of the Walkers.  In fact, I would bet it was one of the Walkers, but that is a different discussion.  In any case, Vito was given far more power to throw around than a normal White Court Vampire.


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Re: True Love as Defense against White Court Vampires
« Reply #21 on: February 08, 2025, 01:22:48 PM »
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If you want to bring up what happened at the end of the duel in the Raith Deeps, you have to factor in that Vito’s ability to crush Harry and company with despair was turbocharged by an Outsider.  Perhaps one of the Walkers.  In fact, I would bet it was one of the Walkers, but that is a different discussion.  In any case, Vito was given far more power to throw around than a normal White Court Vampire.

However in the end Vito failed didn't he.
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Re: True Love as Defense against White Court Vampires
« Reply #22 on: February 08, 2025, 08:32:53 PM »
Quote from: KurtinStGeorge on February 08, 2025, 04:18:42 AM
We also have this from a conversation Harry had with Thomas in Blood Rites:

"The last time you were with anyone, it was with Susan. You love each other. Her touch, her love is still upon you, and still protecting you."

"If that's true, then why I am still adjusting my pants every time Lara walks by?"

Thomas shrugged. "You're human. She's lovely and you haven't gotten any in a while. But trust me, Harry. None of the White Court could wholly control or feed from you now."

In this instance, Thomas could be an unreliable narrator.  Then again, maybe true love inspires hope and faith to the degree that Harry could at that time and now, resist both Skavis and Malvora, though perhaps not to the same degree as House Raith. Also, maybe Harry’s touch wouldn’t burn them.  Maybe it would burn them as well, but not as bad as Wamp who was a member of House Raith.  I’m just guessing here, but I’m trying to apply some logic to this as well.

If you want to bring up what happened at the end of the duel in the Raith Deeps, you have to factor in that Vito’s ability to crush Harry and company with despair was turbocharged by an Outsider.  Perhaps one of the Walkers.  In fact, I would bet it was one of the Walkers, but that is a different discussion.  In any case, Vito was given far more power to throw around than a normal White Court Vampire.
I think Thomas was just telling Harry what he thought was relevant, so he considered mentioning other Houses would have been distracting.
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