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Offline LostInTime

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Molly Sending a Hidden Message?
« on: July 22, 2024, 06:34:09 PM »
So, I was considering Molly's entrance in Battle Ground. She leads her Army of Children into battle with her One Woman Rave blasting Guns N Roses' Welcome to the Jungle. The song came on the radio during my commute to work this morning.

It's the first time I've paid attention to the song in a Dresden Files context. Plus, we've seen several examples of how her mantle forces her to behave in a very un-Molly way.

I think it's not only possible, but also very likely, that she may have picked that particular song not only as a battle anthem, but also as a way to avoid fae restrictions and sneak a message to Harry, directly in front of Mab.

I don't want to argue my point before you read the lyrics yourself. I want fresh eyes to see what I saw.

I think there's a lot going on there that's going to reveal a whole bunch about the fae courts.
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Re: Molly Sending a Hidden Message?
« Reply #1 on: July 22, 2024, 09:05:53 PM »


  Can you print out the lyrics?

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Re: Molly Sending a Hidden Message?
« Reply #2 on: July 23, 2024, 01:18:13 PM »
Welcome to the jungle, we got fun and games
We got everything you want, honey, we know the names (What possible fae names has Harry missed? THE MOTHERS)
We are the people that can find whatever you may need
If you got the money, honey, we got your disease

It's a jungle, welcome to the jungle
Watch it bring it to your n-n-n-n-n-n-n-n knees, knees
Oh ah, I wanna see you bleed

Welcome to the jungle, we take it day by day
If you want you're gonna bleed but it's the price to pay
And you're a very sexy girl, and very hard to please
You can taste the bright lights but you won't get there for free
(Sounds a bit like Molly here)

In the jungle welcome to the jungle
Feel my, my, my serpentine (Yeah, I know what Axl is singing about, but what was Molly's significant tattoo?)
I wanna, I wanna hear you scream

And when you're high, you never, never wanna come down
Down, down, down, down, yeah heh heh heh heh yeah

Welcome to the jungle, it gets worse here every day
You learn to live like an animal in the jungle where we play
(Could be a reference to Winter or of Molly afraid of losing herself in Winter)
If you got hunger for what you see, you'll take it eventually (A warning for Harry? The first interaction he had with Winter was bargaining for power with Lea)
You can have everything you want but you better not take it from me...
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Re: Molly Sending a Hidden Message?
« Reply #3 on: July 23, 2024, 02:35:16 PM »


  Thank you for that, have to reread the chapter before I can comment. 

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Re: Molly Sending a Hidden Message?
« Reply #4 on: July 24, 2024, 10:40:33 PM »
Welcome to the jungle, it gets worse here every day
You learn to live like an animal in the jungle where we play


On second consideration, this sounds like Molly telling Harry what it's like living inside the Winter Court.
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Re: Molly Sending a Hidden Message?
« Reply #5 on: July 25, 2024, 01:03:55 AM »
I'm just going to leave this here...
Y'know...

In lieu of a thousand words.

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/S/compressed.photo.goodreads.com/books/1320418408i/2637138.jpg

(I think "coincidence" might be a bit much to claim; but...)
« Last Edit: July 25, 2024, 01:06:24 AM by g33k »

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Re: Molly Sending a Hidden Message?
« Reply #6 on: July 25, 2024, 04:49:08 PM »
Or it could be that Jim is just a fan and also excellent dramatic choice.

If I was making a movie of BG, "Welcome to the Jungle" would be a near perfect soundtrack for this scene.

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Re: Molly Sending a Hidden Message?
« Reply #7 on: July 26, 2024, 12:42:43 AM »
... I think it's not only possible, but also very likely, that she may have picked that particular song not only as a battle anthem ...

I think that's very possible... but far from sure:  There's a lot going on in the song... and in the White Court.

So being able to draw some parallels is hardly surprising!


... but also as a way to avoid fae restrictions and sneak a message to Harry, directly in front of Mab  ...
"Being rebellious" is hardly an unexplored stance for Molly Carpenter; and that kind of "right under her nose" loophole-threading is very fae.

I think the strongest argument for this being specifically a Molly-to-Harry message, though:  it's a Dresden-growing-up song, a song from Harry's youth, Harry's generation.  Molly, as noted, is more of a modern "rave" kinda gal (& I'm pretty sure Charity & Michael weren't blasting Guns N' Roses in the childhood home; not that she couldn't have heard the band / that song as she rebelled, but I think (if it were her own general-purpose "battle anthem") it would have been more from her own generation... not Harry's generation).  This IMO makes "message to Harry" very likely indeed.
« Last Edit: July 27, 2024, 09:31:26 PM by g33k »

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Re: Molly Sending a Hidden Message?
« Reply #8 on: July 30, 2024, 05:46:27 PM »
But what is the message?

I mean, putting in such a subtle message when all it warns is 'remember not to be lusting for Winter's power it might change you'... well, we had a whole book or two about that.

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Re: Molly Sending a Hidden Message?
« Reply #9 on: July 31, 2024, 01:51:17 AM »
I'd like to think it is a hidden message but honestly, I don't see it. Primarily because Harry is too dumb to understand it. Harry is a smart guy but is clueless until he needs to be. I think the easier answer to this song choice would be that Chicago is known as the Concrete Jungle, and Winter are predators. So the song choice says welcome to this jungle where we are the hunters and you are our prey. This is our territory and you are out of your depth. 

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Re: Molly Sending a Hidden Message?
« Reply #10 on: August 01, 2024, 05:57:54 AM »
But what is the message?
...

Dunno, man.
I mean... it was subtle enough to sneak past Mab.

Dummy like me ain't gonna catch it!