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Offline LaraBeck

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« Reply #15 on: March 01, 2024, 06:01:35 PM »
IIRC, that's specifically a Faerie/contractual thing (a marriage being (from the Fae POV) a very contractual affair (oaths &c:  "to have and to hold, forsaking all others, from this day forward, 'til death do us part...")).  I'd need to go back and read the story to be sure whether Harry was actually that specific in the exposition.

I doubt the Whampire Hunger is affected by the ceremony either way; I certainly wouldn't expect a loveless political marriage to convey any protections, so I don't see why a political marriage would end them.

I think the stuff from Something Borrowed and the Connie and the Big Foot story do a lot to murky the waters here, I've seen a lot of speculation about how that could affect the True Love protection from Whamps. But it's all that, really, speculation, there's no definitive answers yet.

Something that always seemed important to me, though, in Something Borrowed, is that Will was going to make vows thinking he was marrying Georgia. Regardless the bride not being the real Georgia, Will would have been earnest and honest in his promises. So, maybe, that plays a part in the whole thing.

And thinking about that, I honestly doubt Harry would make those kind of vows to Lara, and I know some people would say "but the word of a wizards matters because of his power", yeah, but that's if he swears on his powers, right? which I doubt will be the case here.

Anyway, we'll have to wait and see, but I sure hope to have a more definitive answer on how the True Love protection works in the Dresdenverse soon.

It'd still be just way too tragic, and kind of pointless, to have Harry adquire the physical protection of True Love with Murphy only to lose it one year later. Unless the point is to torture Harry, because how morally devastating that would be, to lose the only thing left from her to Lara of all beings. But that also sounds like how JB is thinking lately, so *shrug*

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« Reply #16 on: March 02, 2024, 05:36:32 AM »
Unless Murphy is going to return very soon, I hope Harry does lose that protection from Murphy.

Barring a book with the White court as the primary antagonists, that protection is not a good thing. Maintaining that protection means that Harry remains celibate. While I don't want him to go wild, give the man some outlet for stress relief. A healthy sex life could be the key to controlling the Winter Knight mantle.

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« Reply #17 on: March 04, 2024, 07:20:15 PM »
Unless Murphy is going to return very soon, I hope Harry does lose that protection from Murphy.

Barring a book with the White court as the primary antagonists, that protection is not a good thing. Maintaining that protection means that Harry remains celibate. While I don't want him to go wild, give the man some outlet for stress relief. A healthy sex life could be the key to controlling the Winter Knight mantle.

Poor Harry, he never has been into casual sex, and steady ladies have been few and far between, so few outlets..  After Susan left him I think he went about five years protected until Luccio came along, that was short lived.. Come to think of it the time period that he actually had sex with Murphy was only a few months at most before she died. 

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« Reply #18 on: March 04, 2024, 08:27:49 PM »
Poor Harry, he never has been into casual sex, and steady ladies have been few and far between, so few outlets..  After Susan left him I think he went about five years protected until Luccio came along, that was short lived.. Come to think of it the time period that he actually had sex with Murphy was only a few months at most before she died. 

Susan Rodriguez - monsters got her, turned into a bloodthirsty Rampire
Anastasia Luccio - Brainwashed "fine thrall" specifically sent to surveil Harry via pillowtalk &c.
Karrin Murphy - Successively worse and worse injuries until she died.

ALL of these specifically because they were trying to operate in Harry's world.
Harry's lifestyle is awfully hard on the women who get romantic with him.

He needs to get with someone an awful lot tougher...  ValkMurpherie, SumMolLady, etc.

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« Reply #19 on: March 04, 2024, 08:44:25 PM »
I have to agree that Harry being celibate/lovelorn has become a little stale. He deserves some uncomplicated action.

And I like Lara as a character. I think the books where she has featured have been among the better ones of the series. As far as bad guys go she's OK, on a par with Marcone imo.

And at least she is a fully grown female.
It's better Harry finding himself attracted to her than in previous books where he was noticing how "hawt" the young Molly was, or that other white vampire college girl who was dating Bigfoot's son.

We already have Thomas as a practically celibate, sex vampire, Carlos messed up after the Molly episode, Butters seems to be the only relatively good guy who's having some fun.

Love the books and series, just think it's a pity the gap between books has become so long.

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« Reply #20 on: March 04, 2024, 10:33:54 PM »
I have to agree that Harry being celibate/lovelorn has become a little stale. He deserves some uncomplicated action ...

The thing is, Jim has really consistently written Harry as specifically not wanting "some uncomplicated action."  So it'd be a substantial break in character.
 

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« Reply #21 on: March 04, 2024, 11:21:46 PM »
Poor Harry, he never has been into casual sex, and steady ladies have been few and far between, so few outlets..  After Susan left him I think he went about five years protected until Luccio came along, that was short lived.. Come to think of it the time period that he actually had sex with Murphy was only a few months at most before she died.

More a couple of days actually. Their first hookup and only was in PT and she was dead in BG. They were going to get together after Changes, but Harry caught a case of dead.

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« Reply #22 on: March 05, 2024, 01:07:32 PM »
All of that, yes.
I think access to Papa Raith's library is on Mab's agenda (likely, as you suggest, to power-up Harry).
Further isolating Harry from his Mortal allies (Mab sees mortal ties as a weakness, after all).

The biggest one, I suspect, is that Mab wants to find the Whampire Nemfection-vector:  Papa-Raith had Outsider-fueled protections, and an Outsider-fueled curse (that the porn-starlet coven used), and Justine got Nemfected apparently from working closely with Lara.  Something seems to be rotten at the core of the White Court.

And -- oh look! -- Mab has a Starborn WK (just the thing for stomping on Outsiders!); time to toss a HarryDresdenGrenade into that bunker.
Thats a great image. Genuinely laughed.
But that seems like a Mab thing to do.

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« Reply #23 on: March 05, 2024, 03:34:16 PM »
Thats a great image. Genuinely laughed.
But that seems like a Mab thing to do.

  Well, Lara has a couple of things working in her favor, her lifespan for starters, actually she is way older than Harry. So she isn't going to become an old lady while Harry is still in his prime.  Her feeding off of his emotions will help keep the Winter Knight's mantel in check so Harry doesn't have to keep killing himself with exercise to drain off the adrenaline.  The negatives are of course Eb and the White Council isn't going to be too happy about such a hook up.
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More a couple of days actually. Their first hookup and only was in PT and she was dead in BG. They were going to get together after Changes, but Harry caught a case of dead.
Yeah, I wasn't sure of how long exactly so I decided to err on giving them more time hooking up than less. ;)

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« Reply #24 on: March 07, 2024, 02:52:52 AM »
Thats a great image. Genuinely laughed ...
Thanks!   ;D
... But that seems like a Mab thing to do.
You think Mab didn't envision it in almost exactly those terms?
I'm pretty sure she did!

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« Reply #25 on: March 10, 2024, 08:57:02 PM »
I happened to be re-reading Changes this week, and it turns out that the Fae can "lull [a Red Court vampire] predator spirit to sleep." The Leanansidhe claims to have done that with the "vampire part" of Susan and Martin when she rendered them unconscious.  As you'd expect in the context, there's no discussion of whether the ability also extends to White Court demons but Lea speaks broadly of vampires.

My money is on the White Court demon being unable to affect Harry as the WK, Mab giving Harry a charm that lulls a WC demon to sleep, or something to the same effect.  In such a case, with the WC demon's effects canceled, there would be no reason for Lara to blister (regardless of whether Harry's love for Murphy would still protect him from a WC vampire with her dead) and consummation of the marriage will occur as Mab likely requires.

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« Reply #26 on: March 11, 2024, 02:12:08 PM »
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I happened to be re-reading Changes this week, and it turns out that the Fae can "lull [a Red Court vampire] predator spirit to sleep." The Leanansidhe claims to have done that with the "vampire part" of Susan and Martin when she rendered them unconscious.  As you'd expect in the context, there's no discussion of whether the ability also extends to White Court demons but Lea speaks broadly of vampires.

Yes, she did, however when Harry pressed her on it since he wanted a cure for Susan, Lea got more vague and started to fish for a bargain for information about what she did.  However she didn't say it was a cure, so Harry declined to bargain.  Also as a couple of us pointed out, Red Court Vamps are very different from White Court Vamps.

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« Reply #27 on: March 11, 2024, 10:35:16 PM »
... My money is on the White Court demon being unable to affect Harry as the WK ...
Hope you didn't bet very much!

1.  We've seen in PT & BG that Harry is still susceptible to Whamp-mojo.  He always notices, points out to Lara something to the effect that she's being rude, and Lara tamps it down; but we've seen that WK-Harry is absolutely affected.

2.  I'm quite sure I've seen WoJ that the Whampire-sex-thing and the WK-mantle-sex-thing don't "cancel out" at all; it's rather the opposite, it's more like they are additive... an explosive combination.

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Re: Lara and Harry
« Reply #28 on: March 19, 2024, 08:17:17 AM »
Not sure if anyone not in love is immune

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« Reply #29 on: March 19, 2024, 02:12:53 PM »
Not sure if anyone not in love is immune

  Well, it is complicated, because being in love doesn't always mean true love.  Falling in love can be merely the emotion and or sexual attraction of the moment, where as true love is something deeper and not easily undone.. Which is another glitch in the system if you will, how easily the true love protection is wiped out by a simple sexual transgression..  In other words, a person can be truly in love with someone, have a one night stand that is purely physical with someone else, remain truly in love with that original someone, but because of that one night stand lose their protection.