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Did Molly teleport
« on: February 16, 2024, 08:50:14 PM »
One of the ways Jim loves to hide things is by showing us the effect and then explaining the cause in an urelated fashion later.

So, at the beginning of Battle Ground, Molly disappears from the docks in a blast of cold air. The Winter Knight feels the cold. Major forces were being thrown around.

Later, Marcshiel teleports during the fight with Ethniu near the lake. Harry is gobsmacked and goes into a long monologue about how awesome this is and how much skill it takes, even when both points are within easy viewing distances.

The thing is, if Molly had opened a way to the Never Never, it would have been visible and Harry's seen plenty of those. But because he didn't see her disappear here and reappear there, he never put two and two together to realize that it was a teleport. (Our hero is not all that bright.)

Is this a clue that Molly is as far above Marcshiel as Marcshiel is above Harry?
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Re: Did Molly teleport
« Reply #1 on: February 16, 2024, 10:39:51 PM »
One of the ways Jim loves to hide things is by showing us the effect and then explaining the cause in an urelated fashion later.

So, at the beginning of Battle Ground, Molly disappears from the docks in a blast of cold air. The Winter Knight feels the cold. Major forces were being thrown around.

Later, Marcshiel teleports during the fight with Ethniu near the lake. Harry is gobsmacked and goes into a long monologue about how awesome this is and how much skill it takes, even when both points are within easy viewing distances.

The thing is, if Molly had opened a way to the Never Never, it would have been visible and Harry's seen plenty of those. But because he didn't see her disappear here and reappear there, he never put two and two together to realize that it was a teleport. (Our hero is not all that bright.)

Is this a clue that Molly is as far above Marcshiel as Marcshiel is above Harry?

  She is Winter Lady now, Mab and Lea both appear and disappear when summoned.  It is a Fay thing, Harry knows it, he has called up Lea and the Erking in the past..

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Re: Did Molly teleport
« Reply #2 on: February 16, 2024, 11:43:51 PM »
If i had to guess, I'd say that she can travel on ley lines.

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Re: Did Molly teleport
« Reply #3 on: February 17, 2024, 10:51:18 PM »
Teleportation appears to require a certain power level and using the Never Never is easier, and there are different types of teleportation. Both Drakul and Namshiel used a line of sight teleportation, presumably the easiest as regards power expenditure, but Harry figured it out and ambushed Drakul, Ethnui did not.

I presume more elaborate teleportation is hazardous, it’s too easy to scramble oneself, materialise within something etc, and you only get one shot….unless you are immortal. Indeed immortality may be a necessity, if one can totally reform from atomisation isn’t that effectively teleportation?

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Re: Did Molly teleport
« Reply #4 on: February 17, 2024, 11:43:20 PM »
Always thought, especially because of earlier usages by Mab, Leah, ect that fae tend to use a hybrid method when dealing with going between reality and the NN. They can pop through the veil almost wherever because of how much of it aligns with reality, and when within the NN, especially fairy whom they are the masters, they can go anywhere instantly.
I'd surmise it takes less of them than a mortal because of their connection to the NN.
Alot of teleportation in other media can be done by means of interdimensional shifting, like nightcrawler in X-Men. This is probably the fae method, more efficient than manipulating matter like a transporter.

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Re: Did Molly teleport
« Reply #5 on: February 20, 2024, 05:49:33 PM »
... The thing is, if Molly had opened a way to the Never Never, it would have been visible and Harry's seen plenty of those. But because he didn't see her disappear here and reappear there, he never put two and two together to realize that it was a teleport. (Our hero is not all that bright.)

The other thing is, Faeries are tricksy AF.  They glamour stuff more-readily than Harry uses fire and force.

Molly could have opened a Way, and hidden that behind a glamour.

We often see Harry get his youth & inexperience rubbed in his face around the opening of Ways.  In the theater, Lily opened a Way and Harry didn't even realize it at first.  People have made "custom" Ways, e.g. the Way Home from Chichén Itzá, and the closet to Chicago from the WK-quarters in Arctis Tor.  Harry expresses amazement at these things; unreliable-narrator Harry is extra-unreliable about Ways, because his understanding of them is incomplete.
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Re: Did Molly teleport
« Reply #6 on: February 21, 2024, 02:07:38 AM »
The other thing is, Faeries are tricksy AF.  They glamour stuff more-readily than Harry uses fire and force.

Molly could have opened a Way, and hidden that behind a glamour.
that's just straight up limiting what a way is and how it works quite frankly.
Harry literally monologues on him making this mistake on his own understanding of how complex making waypaths is to drive home the point. A way is not simply a tear in the air.
Remember they're making the way to get through the veil, the sheer lining between reality. A veil is something that you can usually step right through..
Case in point Mab, Maeve, ect appearing with very little disturbance besides extra cold. Either from Maeve being lazy or Mab simply existing.
What we're seeing is just the flavor of the way maker.

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Re: Did Molly teleport
« Reply #7 on: February 21, 2024, 02:49:11 AM »
that's just straight up limiting what a way is and how it works quite frankly.
Harry literally monologues on him making this mistake on his own understanding of how complex making waypaths is to drive home the point. A way is not simply a tear in the air.
Remember they're making the way to get through the veil, the sheer lining between reality. A veil is something that you can usually step right through..
Case in point Mab, Maeve, ect appearing with very little disturbance besides extra cold. Either from Maeve being lazy or Mab simply existing.
What we're seeing is just the flavor of the way maker.


What underscores how complex the Ways are, when Lea gives Harry the jewel that Margaret had had, she warns Harry that his mother had trouble sleeping while she had the jewel.

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Re: Did Molly teleport
« Reply #8 on: February 22, 2024, 12:28:15 AM »
What underscores how complex the Ways are, when Lea gives Harry the jewel that Margaret had had, she warns Harry that his mother had trouble sleeping while she had the jewel.

The jewel extracts a price; the details are different for everyone.  Getting a good night's sleep was the price Maggie Sr. had to pay.

AFAIK, we haven't yet learned what price Harry is paying.

I presume Jim is rubbing his hands and cackling an Evil Villain(tm) cackle.

 

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Re: Did Molly teleport
« Reply #9 on: February 23, 2024, 06:19:09 PM »
Interesting could the jewel be used as a focus to create a new way? In The Law Harry isn’t sleeping and is meditating a lot. I have previously posited that he was seeking to create a way from The Castle to the Winter Knights Apartment in Arctis Tor, and was the reason he had invited the Za Guard to stay. If so the jewel would be Checkov’s gun, aside from Changes it has been hideously underused. You imagine a new route within the jewel and it eventually snaps into place outside the jewel depending on the degree of congruency between to the two points and the amount of mental effort and magic over time applied to make it so.

Margaret could have created several short-cuts this way, and it might explain how she was able to escape Raith.

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Re: Did Molly teleport
« Reply #10 on: February 23, 2024, 11:09:48 PM »
... Margaret could have created several short-cuts this way, and it might explain how she was able to escape Raith.
Mere physical escape was never the challenge.  She was a powerful WC mage, and one of the most-informed mortal waywalkers ever; she could have left any time she wanted to... if she had just wanted to.
The question is -- since Papa Raith apparently had years to work on her -- why wasn't she utterly enslaved to his will?  Murphy admitted that (a much weaker) Papa-Raith almost broke her, and that was in just the space of a few minutes.
 

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Re: Did Molly teleport
« Reply #11 on: February 24, 2024, 07:00:30 AM »
Mere physical escape was never the challenge.  She was a powerful WC mage, and one of the most-informed mortal waywalkers ever; she could have left any time she wanted to... if she had just wanted to.
The question is -- since Papa Raith apparently had years to work on her -- why wasn't she utterly enslaved to his will?  Murphy admitted that (a much weaker) Papa-Raith almost broke her, and that was in just the space of a few minutes.
can you just imagine the force of nature that gave birth to Dresden? O.o
Seriously though, she might have had added advantages besides being of a wizardly willpower OR Malcolm was just that mouthwateringly wholesome at first sight?
🤔 We've never seen what love does directly when applied to an enthralled. An the only no frills healing of a mind glitch we've seen was done with heavenly assistance iirc?
I favorite Margaret was a Fallen for some time... And Lasciels was hers. Might explain why it'd been out of circulation for so long, Nic had to seek it out after she hid it.

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Re: Did Molly teleport
« Reply #12 on: February 24, 2024, 07:08:24 PM »
Mere physical escape was never the challenge.  She was a powerful WC mage, and one of the most-informed mortal waywalkers ever; she could have left any time she wanted to... if she had just wanted to.
The question is -- since Papa Raith apparently had years to work on her -- why wasn't she utterly enslaved to his will?  Murphy admitted that (a much weaker) Papa-Raith almost broke her, and that was in just the space of a few minutes.

  I don't think Papa Raith broke her, he didn't. I think she was so fed up with the White Council's antics and the whole "system,"
went along out of rebellion, she wouldn't have been the first nor the last to do so.. That is until she met someone who showed her
there was good in the world, Malcolm.  Murphy is or was an ordinary vanilla human, stronger than most, but still ordinary, a few minutes more and Lord Raith would have broken her... Margaret Lefay Dresden was no ordinary woman.