Book of Kremmler

[Mira]

Her people are not human. They are not protected by Uriel.

But it wasn't just her people that fought under the banner.

[Conspiracy Theorist]

The mortal fought under Harry’s banner they didn’t know Mab from a hole in the ground.

[g33k]

True, but you left Mab out of the mix, she didn't care all that much about messing with people's free will under her Banner.

Mab mostly drew faeries to her Banner, very-few (if any) mortals.
Uriel, I think, mainly concerns himself with mortals' free will.

Because the Knights are specifically mortals, and the Queens' agents in mortal affairs, I think Knights' Banners are different from any Banners raised by the Queens; the principles of one don't necessarily apply to the other.

I think "leaving Mab out of the mix" (when discussing the Banner that Harry raised) is correct.
 

[Mira]

Mab mostly drew faeries to her Banner, very-few (if any) mortals.
Uriel, I think, mainly concerns himself with mortals' free will.

Because the Knights are specifically mortals, and the Queens' agents in mortal affairs, I think Knights' Banners are different from any Banners raised by the Queens; the principles of one don't necessarily apply to the other.

I think "leaving Mab out of the mix" (when discussing the Banner that Harry raised) is correct.

But would Harry have attempted it if he weren't Winter Knight? He also felt guilty about it afterwards..

[vincentric]

Harry didn't "attempt" to form the Banner. It happened on its own and he slowly became aware of it.

[g33k]

Harry didn't "attempt" to form the Banner. It happened on its own and he slowly became aware of it.

It happened as a side-effect of the WK banner, but something about Harry made it possible (very few WK's can produce a Banner).

We don't yet know what that "something about Harry" was, however.

[vincentric]

It happened as a side-effect of the WK banner, but something about Harry made it possible (very few WK's can produce a Banner).

We don't yet know what that "something about Harry" was, however.

According to Mab, "very few Knights are strong enough." Harry's strength made him capable of forming the Banner, I doubt Slate would have been able to.

[g33k]

According to Mab, "very few Knights are strong enough." Harry's strength made him capable of forming the Banner, I doubt Slate would have been able to.

Yes, but what kind of strength?
Magical brawn?  That's credible, as the foundation of a magical "Banner."
Strength of will?  Also credible, as the basis of leadership; and a Nietzschean "will to power" is very winter-flavored.

Both needed?  Also credible.  And, of course, we know Harry's unusually strong with both.

Something else, something more?  Given how little we understand about "Banners" (other than the big green irradiated kind), it's entirely-probable there's some ingredient missing from our recipe (tho not likely Gamma radiation).

[Conspiracy Theorist]

Strength of character, the ability to inspire others to be all they can be such as he did with butters, Molly and Toot.

[g33k]

Strength of character, the ability to inspire others to be all they can be such as he did with butters, Molly and Toot.

Too much kindness and empathy there.
Maybe that'd be part of a Banner raised by the Summer Knight; but not Winter.

[Conspiracy Theorist]

Which is why most Knights can’t raise the banner as Mab relates.

[g33k]

Which is why most Knights can’t raise the banner as Mab relates.

But those aren't traits that Mab would consider strength.

[Conspiracy Theorist]

Which is why it is so rare, and why Harry has to be Harry to undertake his duty.