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Re: Rudy up on charges?
« Reply #30 on: June 01, 2023, 10:48:08 PM »
I'm not sure it could go to a jury trial.
Rudy is likely to admit to it to someone...

"Harry tried to kill me!"
"What? why? when?"
"He was acting shifty, I think he was involved with the blackout, I was trying to arrest him and Murphy came between us, she shouldn't have done that... Harry tried to pull something and my gun went off."
"You shot Harry?"
"No, Murphy, she shouldn't have come between us!"
"Okay, then what?"
"He looked at me, and I couldn't breath."
"Okay, then what?"
"That M.E. Butters came up with a flashlight and said something to Harry, Harry ground his teeth and then left."
"He just left?"
"Yeah, he did something and I couldn't breath and then after talking to the M.E. he just left, he tried to kill me!"
"He tried to choak you?" mimes hands on throat
"No, he walked up to me and I couldn't breath."
"He pushed you against the wall?"
"No... no, he didn't touch me..."
"Okay... you were trying to arrest him, on what charge?"
"He was just shady, I am sure he was involved in this whole blackout thing"
"What did you see that makes you think that?"
"He is always there in the middle of all this shady stuff, I know he was involved!"
"So you have busted him before?"
"Well no, Murphy always protected him before, but she can't protect him now."
"The same Murphy you shot?"
"Do I need a lawyer?"
"That might be a good idea..."

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Re: Rudy up on charges?
« Reply #31 on: June 02, 2023, 07:30:02 PM »
Dereliction of duty, cowardice, using the children as human shields, using his trousers as a latrine, wearing a pornstache, they will throw everything at him for that he will lose his job and his pension. He was never liked within the force but now they will positively hate him.

And for putting children in harm? Everyone knows what Marcone thinks of that, especially the officers in his pocket, as I think he is Nameless rather than Marcone’s hireling Nameless can’t be seen to come to his defence, without giving himself away.

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Re: Rudy up on charges?
« Reply #32 on: June 04, 2023, 03:01:23 PM »
... That said, I have no clue what Jim wants to do with Rudolph ...

To be honest, I kinda think Jim has pegged Rudy as an object lesson of "sometimes, the assholes don't have bad stuff happen to them, they just skate free..."   :(

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Re: Rudy up on charges?
« Reply #33 on: June 04, 2023, 04:53:24 PM »
He missed a bet with Christmas Eve, Kringle runs the Wild Hunt, so Rudolph the Brown Nosed Reindeer could have been a real thing.

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Re: Rudy up on charges?
« Reply #34 on: June 05, 2023, 10:59:22 PM »
And for putting children in harm? Everyone knows what Marcone thinks of that, especially the officers in his pocket, as I think he is Nameless rather than Marcone’s hireling Nameless can’t be seen to come to his defence, without giving himself away.
wait....

You think Rudolph is Nameless is Cowl?

I need a full theory post, have you made one? can you give me a link? can you make one?

Rudolph = Cowl...  not something I ever considered or understand how you got there... so confused...

I can't even figure out what you might have meant if that wasn't what you meant... I just... what?!?!? you can't go dropping random things like that in a thread without any explanations or... Brain go melty melty...

Edit: Did you mean to say "I think he is Nameless' not Marcone's hireling"... that would make more sense... okay ignore me... I think I got it now... :(
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Re: Rudy up on charges?
« Reply #35 on: June 06, 2023, 11:48:20 AM »
Rudy is Nameless hireling, his goon, his stooge.

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Re: Rudy up on charges?
« Reply #36 on: June 06, 2023, 03:56:19 PM »
Rudy is Nameless hireling, his goon, his stooge.

"Rudy is Nameless' hireling, his goon, his stooge."
'Rudy is Nameless^ That Apostrophe is important.  In your original post you used the apostrophe for Marcone's but not for Nameless' and the lack of an added "s" when converting Nameless to possessive form makes it harder to infer the possessive (Marcones can be inferred to be possessive because plural doesn't make sense in context, but Nameless doesn't enjoy the same logic).  I got there in the end, but was quite confused for a while. :)

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Re: Rudy up on charges?
« Reply #37 on: June 08, 2023, 12:44:30 PM »
You know the spell Harry used on Carlos cloak? Harry really needs to use it on Rudy’s pornstache during his disciplinary hearing.

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Re: Rudy up on charges?
« Reply #38 on: June 10, 2023, 03:47:24 PM »
What will be interesting is how others react to events from Battle Ground.

Is Bradley going to get the whole story, and if so... well Murphy and Dresden did save his kid, and Rudolph murdered Karrin in exchange for it. How will he handle that? 
Kincaid and Murphy aren't an item anymore, but I suspect he's still got some fondness for her.
Rawlins, if he survived, seems he might have some strong feelings towards Rudolph.
The Alphas were ready to jump Rudolph and Bradley when they were just going to arrest Harry.  What are they going to do to Rudolph for killing their friend?
Legal consequences for Rudolph are the least of his concerns.

For that matter, I suspect that if Harry would have just shot Rudolph,  the sword wouldn't have done anything to him.  Using magic and The Mantle of the Winter Knight made it a different matter.  I could be wrong on that, but it fits.  Angels can interfere with supernatural threats, but not vanilla mortal technology. 
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Re: Rudy up on charges?
« Reply #39 on: June 12, 2023, 04:21:52 PM »
For that matter, I suspect that if Harry would have just shot Rudolph,  the sword wouldn't have done anything to him.  Using magic and The Mantle of the Winter Knight made it a different matter.  I could be wrong on that, but it fits.  Angels can interfere with supernatural threats, but not vanilla mortal technology.
I don't think the Swords are bound like that.  The Denarians are in the coins to get away from exactly that rule, you can't use angelic power to breach free will, and the swords have angels in them to counteract the fallen in the coins.  So I believe the angels in the swords are able to use the wielder's free will to affect the world with their power just as the Denarians can. I think the Angels generally don't because they are Angels... but I think for Harry they would make an exception and stop him from making a mistake that he couldn't live with.

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Re: Rudy up on charges?
« Reply #40 on: June 12, 2023, 05:34:49 PM »
My theory is the White God oversees a peace to prevent the Supernatural from impacting upon the mortal world too heavily and destroying humanity. The Red Court and the Titan are obvious examples of this. The Baku was a new monster who knew how big if could get, Siriothrax had obviously extruded more into the mortal world than he should have. They don’t just counter the Fallen, a genuine Threat in their own right.

This doesn’t prevent the Supernatural from preying on Humans, in fact it promotes humanity’s capacity to work together and its technology, towards the Singularity resulting in the creation of the White God. This peace also empowers circles and thresholds, protections for humans from lesser threats.

It’s all free will and the power wielde by the knights and users of Soulfire (its champions) do so out of free will. The wielder supplies the action, the angel supplies just enough power to carry that action through.



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Re: Rudy up on charges?
« Reply #41 on: June 12, 2023, 06:01:53 PM »
Good point about the wielder and their use of free will.  I was basing my position on the Carpenter's security, where they can stop Nickelheads but not mooks with guns.
Obviously the swords can be used against mooks, but Fidelacchius didn't affect Harry at the house, and he was counting on it behaving the same.  What was different between the two instances? The winter mantle being given more control is the big one.

But maybe it's all about intent.  Maybe Harry and Waldo's state of mind and intent  (there's that free will again) were the difference. 


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Re: Rudy up on charges?
« Reply #42 on: June 12, 2023, 06:31:57 PM »
Harry was willing to allow his free will to be subsumed by the Mantle and become a humanity ending monster its that reason why the Swords were in play in this instance, not to stop the Titan, but to win the fight for Harry’s free will, as that is what eventually led to the Titan being stopped, to stop the Starborn becoming The Destroyer and dooming his universe.

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Re: Rudy up on charges?
« Reply #43 on: June 12, 2023, 07:23:17 PM »
Most likely.
In any case, to the original topic,  I think formal charges against Rudy will only be about his behavior inside the day care center, where Bradley and the "grandmotherly" woman are witnesses. 
Given the casualties the CPD likely took?  I suspect they'll be reluctant to get rid of anyone.

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Re: Rudy up on charges?
« Reply #44 on: June 14, 2023, 02:48:28 PM »


  Rudy won't be charged, if there is charges, it will be about what he has accused both Harry and Murphy with.  Lets not forget even Bradly was trying to arrest them at the beginning with it started to hit the fan at the beginning of Battle Ground.. And no, those charges haven't gone away and you can bet that Rudy will continue to try and press them and possibly add an attempted murder charge as well for Harry's attack after he shot Murphy.  It is all being set up, and I wouldn't be shocked if a trial takes up a significant part of "Twelve Months," especially in the light of the legal theme of one of the last short stories.