Rudy up on charges?

[Mira]

And with his background in SI, he knows exactly the sorts of fabrications that the Powers That Be like to see in those reports.  He'll become their favorite consultant...

 That sounds about right, not only that but since Justine was able to be Nem infected, there is no reason Rudolph cannot be.  In fact may have been all along which won't be so easy for Harry to explain. 

[Conspiracy Theorist]

That sounds about right, not only that but since Justine was able to be Nem infected, there is no reason Rudolph cannot be.  In fact may have been all along which won't be so easy for Harry to explain.

Yes there is,  no self-respecting extra-universal supernatural organism could stomach infecting Rudolph, besides why bother, if it ain’t broke don’t fix it.

[Mira]

Yes there is,  no self-respecting extra-universal supernatural organism could stomach infecting Rudolph, besides why bother, if it ain’t broke don’t fix it.

Or take full advantage of it.. Think about it, taking Murphy out to get to Harry is a very clever plan.

[Conspiracy Theorist]

Or take full advantage of it.. Think about it, taking Murphy out to get to Harry is a very clever plan.

Which does not sound like Rudy at all, this was set up as far back as Rudy shooting at Mister years before because of his poor trigger (and bowel) discipline.

[Snark Knight]

Which does not sound like Rudy at all

I don't think Rudy was the one making the plan. I think Rudy was the instrument in someone else's plan.

The passage seemed a lot like something was jamming Harry's ability to raise a shield, and possibly putting Rudy under some sort of suggestion, compulsion, or altered perceptions.

Though I'd lean more towards Fallen, or possibly Cowl, as more probable than Nemesis.  It understands humans better than most Outsiders, but killing Karrin to manipulate Harry into going all blood rage on Rudy is pretty deep to credit it with.

[KurtinStGeorge]

First, I'd like to know what Rudolph said after the event.  Was Rudolph saying something like, "It's not my fault, I didn't meant to shoot Murphy." or was Rudolph in so much physical pain that he didn't say anything that anyone could make out. 

The second thing is consider how afraid Rudolph must be of Dresden after being nearly crushed to death by Harry's magic.  I know that Rudolph has incredible powers of denial, but he has good reason to believe to Harry would kill him if he tries to weasel his way out of this one.  All Harry would probably need to do to get Rudolph to change a plea from Not Guilty to Guilty is simply show up at a Court Hearing and stare Rudy down.

That said, I have no clue what Jim wants to do with Rudolph.  I could see it going from the extreme of Rudy having a redemption arc to the creep picking up one of the Blackened Denarius coins.   

[Conspiracy Theorist]

I don't think Rudy was the one making the plan. I think Rudy was the instrument in someone else's plan.

The passage seemed a lot like something was jamming Harry's ability to raise a shield, and possibly putting Rudy under some sort of suggestion, compulsion, or altered perceptions.

Though I'd lean more towards Fallen, or possibly Cowl, as more probable than Nemesis.  It understands humans better than most Outsiders, but killing Karrin to manipulate Harry into going all blood rage on Rudy is pretty deep to credit it with.

Harry was saved by two Knights of the Cross, if it was an outside agency manipulating Rudy, it was one of the Fallen, not necessarily a Denarian, but maybe Lucifer, someone who wanted a Destroyer Harry, and who took advantage of the situation. That means someone powerful enough to lock onto Rudy and Harry through all the magic flying around and ‘nudge’ Rudy into firing at Karen, perhaps just obscuring she had killed a giant and ‘nudge’ Harry into killing Rudy in that fashion. I don’t think a Denarian has the power to do that due to their constraints but a Fallen Archangel might. It is the subtle type game Uriel plays, and his countermove was Sanya and Butters.

This makes me think Zoo Day and Day One overlapping were not a coincidence, Harry needed to be at the Zoo to deal with the aspiring Warlock and not kill him, and Mouse to take on Ash, and Maggie to free the kids.Otherwise Harry may have been drawn into the Baku, preventing all three victories so Uriel sent Butters out to prevent that. Archangels play really subtle games.

[RobReece]

I don’t think a Denarian has the power to do that due to their constraints but a Fallen Archangel might.

A Denarian fully has that capability.   Look at how Lash manipulated  Harry in Dead Beat, even when he was aware of her, she had him  ready to jump out the window.  No chance that Rudolph  is seeing past any of their illusions.
That being said,  I don't think this was the case.  I don't see anyone possessing Rudy, mind games from the outside, probably.

[Conspiracy Theorist]

Lash’s shadow was inside Harry’s head, he had picked up a coin and that left him vulnerable. No such situation here.

No self-respecting entity would wear Rudy.

[Melriken]

Toot and Lacuna may have still been nearby, but I don't think you'd want either of them on the witness stand.

I would LOVE to see Toot on the witness stand... so would you...

Harry (or whoever is calling them as a witness) wouldn't...

Rudolph will be cashiered from CPD, so will set himself up as a PI investigating “so-called” supernatural events and debunking them.

The Douchebag Files.

[Conspiracy Theorist]

Toot unexpectedly does throw up pearls of wisdom and clarity of view look how he took Sanya to task for wrongly classifying him.

The first hurdle is swearing on the Bible, Toot is a creature of faerie and not the White God, so it is likely he would have to swear on a copy of the Pizza S’Press menu.

[Melriken]

Toot unexpectedly does throw up pearls of wisdom and clarity of view look how he took Sanya to task for wrongly classifying him.

The first hurdle is swearing on the Bible, Toot is a creature of faerie and not the White God, so it is likely he would have to swear on a copy of the Pizza S’Press menu.

Toot wouldn't understand swearing to tell the truth...

Fae can't lie, but Toot can't even understand lying.

[CrusherJen]

I'm not sure it could go to a jury trial. With Murphy's body missing, there's no physical evidence remaining to link Rudolph to the crime. No proof of her death, no forensic autopsy, no ballistics, nothing but one person's uncorroborated testimony. (If I remember correctly, Butters and Sanya showed up after the shot was fired, so they couldn't testify they saw Rudolph fire his gun.) With the power out, any nearby security cameras wouldn't be functional, unless they had a battery backup... but that assumes they didn't get blown out again by the magic unleashed in the battle against the giant.

And Harry was already under investigation for the robbery at Marcone's vault, by Rudolph. The defense attorney would have a field day discrediting Harry with that information.

As much as I'd like to see Rudolph up on murder charges, I don't see any realistic way for it to happen. (Though I love the image of Toot on the witness stand... 😆) The karma bus is bound to catch up with him somehow, but I don't think it will happen through the mortal justice system.

[Conspiracy Theorist]

Rudolph is internal affairs someone was pulling strings to get him on that case, but it wouldn’t bear long-term scrutiny it was part of the pressure tactics on Harry and other key figures prior to the Titans arrival- I suspect Nameless, as a lawyer for the Mob he has the knowledge , but couldn’t use Marcone’s connections, too close to home.

Rudy is far more likely to face IA himself for his actions at the daycare, those were cops kids, and Bradley and the day care supervisor were witnesses.

[CrusherJen]

Rudolph is internal affairs someone was pulling strings to get him on that case, but it wouldn’t bear long-term scrutiny it was part of the pressure tactics on Harry and other key figures prior to the Titans arrival- I suspect Nameless, as a lawyer for the Mob he has the knowledge , but couldn’t use Marcone’s connections, too close to home.

Rudy is far more likely to face IA himself for his actions at the daycare, those were cops kids, and Bradley and the day care supervisor were witnesses.

Good catch! That could definitely happen... and it should.