“You Know What He Was Meant To Be”

[Conspiracy Theorist]

Perhaps this is deliberate we have been looking to pin some predictable, astronomical phenomena to Harry’s birth to get an exact date but what if there isn’t? What if it was set up as dawn/sunset on a random day which we just adopted as 31 October/Halloween by humanity over history, and the 666 interval just mathematics? We never then get an exact date of birth and don’t need one, which is just as well as Jim won’t give one, and he is happy with us chasing are tails over “clues” which are little more than red-herrings.

The top tier beings responsible for this pre-date linear time which has been hammered into us, to them one date was as good as any other.

Balance is a big thing in the Dresdenverse. What if Harry was born at dawn, and Listen born at Sunset? That would be very dramatic, we have Bob and Evil Bob, Mouse and Ash, why not Harry and Listen as a pairing (not siblings)

[Conspiracy Theorist]

Back to Skin Game, who provided the Ghouls and killed Harvey?

Cowl has used Ghouls before, but the Tigress was a favourite assassin of Maeve’s when Nameless was part of her court. Maeve disrupted Will and Georgias wedding in revenge.

The Fomor alert Cowl/Nameless that Harvey’s data has been stolen, he realises it means a heist on Hades vault, Nameless is aware as Marcone’s top lawyer that Hades is a client of Marcone’s Bank with his own personal vault, and that potentially a Way exists. He contacts polonius Lartessa who was in on the assault on Arctis Tor, telling her that access to Hades vault will result in Deirdre’s death (Cowl knows all about Hades as The Fugitive shows) with a view to using her to derail the heist. He throws in the Ghouls because her usual backup of other Denarians and Squires are not available.

“his eyes flickering as merrily as a Christmas Eve fire.’ About Michael Carpenter p 197, we have also just had the Mjolnir Bottle opener, an obvious gift from a son. Foreshadowing that when Odin falls Michael Carpenter will be the vessel for the Kringle Mantle. Christmas Eve is even more laden with foreshadowing.

“He went to the fridge and opened another pair of bottles with the power of Thor”

Michael wrinkled his nose. “Faeries. I never understood why they’re such lawyers about everything.” Michael p200 prefiguring Nameless again.

[Ed0517]

I quote Priscellie, from the "Timeline" document she assembled: _{-- https://www.paranetonline.com/index.php/topic,1592.0.html}

I'm pretty convinced about the early/mid 1970s as Harry's birtdate.

I'm pretty convinced that Jim was just sloppy here; he wrote the details he wanted without regard for what was actually factual.

Not even mid. 70, most likely, possibly 71, I think. Can't be pre-1970, Malcolm meets the stage Copperfield in 1970 at the convention (March 1970). Kotkin's stage name could have been discussed, not yet announced. But Harry must be born after the convention. Turn Coat comes out in April 2009.  Luccio says "You're not even FORTY!" - so he is likely close to it - she doesn't say that if he is born in 1976 and is 32. Probably 38 (born 1970) or 37 (1971), more likely the first. Also clears Priscellie's Cons on her timeline with smallpox vaccines and Knight Rider episodes. 

[g33k]

... Turn Coat comes out in April 2009...

Real-world publication dates, however, are unrelated to internal Dresdenverse timelines.

[Conspiracy Theorist]

Real-world publication dates, however, are unrelated to internal Dresdenverse timelines.

Yes the timeline is currently stuck in Christmas 2014 at the best guess, we are nearly a decade behind, give or take a year.

[Ed0517]

Real-world publication dates, however, are unrelated to internal Dresdenverse timelines.

OK, but going by the Copperfield meeting, it can't be pre-1970 anyway. And the Knight Rider viewing.  Just makes Harry younger if you push it before 2009.

[Conspiracy Theorist]

You have fallen down the rabbit hole. Jim wants it to be vague and will throw in red herrings either way.

That’s why my suggestion of dawn/sunset on Halloween makes sense, you don’t have to tie it to a particular year, any year can be the  666th. 1970? fine it works, as does 1968 or 1972 or 1974. No celestial alignments, comets, asteroid showers etc are involved. Just the sun and the Earth.

[g33k]

You have fallen down the rabbit hole...

Stones and glass houses, my friend!   

C'mon, admit it... you're aaaalllll about the rabbit hole... you're a freakin' warren!     

[Conspiracy Theorist]

But I am a wascally wabbit.

[Conspiracy Theorist]

Back to Skin Game

“ “TV rarely does the original stories justice,”‘ Hades to Harry, but I think that was really Jim speaking.

[Ed0517]

You have fallen down the rabbit hole. Jim wants it to be vague and will throw in red herrings either way.

That’s why my suggestion of dawn/sunset on Halloween makes sense, you don’t have to tie it to a particular year, any year can be the  666th. 1970? fine it works, as does 1968 or 1972 or 1974. No celestial alignments, comets, asteroid showers etc are involved. Just the sun and the Earth.

68 doesn't work with Copperfield. 72 can work. More likely 70, but 72 not ruled out.

[Conspiracy Theorist]

68 doesn't work with Copperfield. 72 can work. More likely 70, but 72 not ruled out.

To quote Harry Dresden’s favourite movie “It’s a trap” Jim has done this deliberately to confuse the fans, Harry’s timeline has to be taken relative to Harry and not external event, it’s a clue that he is effectively Jesus Christ, everything will date from after the BAT, or before it.

[Conspiracy Theorist]

“Meaning that since a whisper in your ear that should have killed you seems to have failed, I intend to skip the subtlety, rip your head apart, and collect our child. She’s far too valuable a resource to be allowed to die with you.” Back to Skin Game p465

Lasciel implying that she whispered to Harry way back in Changes.

Just realised if Cowl was able to break the Nimean Lion out of The Underworld, he would be able to do they same for Blood on his Soul, presumably to throw at Harry? It likely means Blood is using an Ectoplasm body, and has been forced to leave his coin behind. The reason? Find out what happened and set him at Harry. Cowl would know about Blood from Tessa.

[Conspiracy Theorist]

Brief Cases now - Even hand

“I’m not even possessed of the mystic abilities of a mortal wizard. But they will never be what I am. One and all, those beings were born to be what they are. I made a choice.’

Bugger, Marcone told effectively told us he had picked up the coin, he was possessed of a Fallen Angel and boy did he ever make a choice!

“I didn’t look up from one of my lawyer’s letters, which I receive too frequently to let slide. “Well,” I said, “we knew it would happen eventually.” At this point Nameless was Marcone’s top lawyer, so we have (appropriately) an unnamed reference to him.

“As I told you, my lawyers send me endless letters. I speak their language.” The letters are definitely from Nameless as Marcone is citing the Accords, his previous mortal lawyers wouldn’t be a specialist in this field.

[g33k]

To quote Harry Dresden’s favourite movie “It’s a trap” Jim has done this deliberately to confuse the fans ...

Nah.

Jim is self-admittedly lazy.  It would take far too much time & effort to construct this as a webwork of deception, contradictory lines of evidence, etc.

It's just him being lazy, writing-in "cool stuff" that he wanted to include,which all <handwave> happened sometime, back then, nobody will know the difference, and it won't matter to anyone.

But he ended up with a large, obsessive fanbase who has discovered that he positively-stated a timeline that couldn't possibly have happened.