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Re: New Weird
« Reply #525 on: April 02, 2025, 05:26:34 PM »
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I hope your neighbors who are building things are far away, so their noised do not bother you too much.
I'm afraid not. They are about 3 metres from our house. But their house will be built faster than the others, because they won't build any basement and the walls will be prefabricated ones. Also the builders are very nice people, they always announce when they will be blocking the street. As there is only one way out, it is crucial for us to know when we need to park outside. Not all builders did this and one was even blocking our exit one time. And as they spoke neither German nor English, I needed to show them with gestures that they needed to put their stuff 2 metres further to the right. I had my doubts that they understood, because they just looked at me confused, lol. But 5 minutes later they moved the stuff like I asked them. The block would have lasted for two days.
So I am quite happy with the new ones. I memorised the name and when we build our future shed for the bikes (if we ever do this) I will ask them to do the digging and the concrete.

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Re: New Weird
« Reply #526 on: April 02, 2025, 07:50:47 PM »
I am so glad these are good builders. "Mine" seem good people too. When they are working in the backyard I sometimes hear their chat.
I am curious. Do you know what language those other builders spoke?
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Re: New Weird
« Reply #527 on: April 02, 2025, 08:28:02 PM »
I guess it could have been Romanian. Did not hear them talking much.
Some firms employ cheap workers from abroad. These workers come, do their job and go home with the money. 

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Re: New Weird
« Reply #528 on: Yesterday at 11:13:56 AM »
Oh, the fact that they were from abroad and temporal does not surprise me. I expected it. But I was curious about what country they came from. Traditionally in Argentina there are many builders from Paraguay.

We are having a few cold days here, but next week is supposed to be warmer. But this means everyone is having a cold or a sore throat or something. I am mostly fine but no promises for tomorrow, which is forecasted to be much colder.
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Re: New Weird
« Reply #529 on: Yesterday at 10:11:33 PM »
@Regenbogen

I understand it through the lens of psychology, and I'm partial to Jung. But I'm very heterodox in my approach. I do use religious and spiritual belief systems as well, but I'm translating them to the modern skeptic paradigm. Religion just being an early form of psychology/sociology, imo.

It works super well.

The branching layout you just gave me is exactly a narrative. You describing the conditions for your if/thens was a branching narrative structure. Choose Your Own Adventure style, with pre-scripted solutions and exceptions.

That's your personal belief system, the how's and why's you do what you do.

If you wrote it all down, which would take you years, I could translate... idk, what do you not believe in. Taoism? I could make Taoism make, like, 85% sense to you. Or whatever else, so long as I've learned that one too.

If someone is completely consumed by a publicly known belief system, like being a super hard-core christian, I can speak their language too. Instead of memes and complex systems causing environmental influences that trigger mental illness, I would use much simpler words like "possession," or "demon." That's what the ancient folks were pointing at when they tried to explain what was going on.

They were wrong about... basically everything? But it is a real thing. Environmental pathology is a hot topic these days. It's just a mouthful in the modern paradigm, which makes it hard to conceptualize and understand. That's the Sapir-Whorf Hypothesis, if you want a wiki walk that will blow your mind.

If you can just say "demon," and still understand it in perfectly grounded, scientific terms, you can hack Sapir-Whorf. That's my little trick. Hyper-fast contextual reframing that doesn't get shut down by autonomic function, particularly the sympathetic nervous system.

Doing that is why I can do "enlightenment," or Positive Disintegration in modern terms, while staying balanced. Not too lost in the sauce, not overfitting my personal worldview as the only valid interpretation of events. If I lean too hard in one direction, I just reframe and test hypotheses to see what I'm doing wrong, and correct that way.

I'm drawing a *ton* from the philosophy around Artificial Intelligence to do that. It's been a personal fascination of mine since I was a teenager, and I'm in my 30s now. I'm about as well read on the topic as one can possibly be, without devolving into, in my opinion, highly questionable esoteric subjects of debatable relevance.

You can tell how deep into it I am, because I can't even talk about it without bringing up some nerd fights, lol.

Personally, I just prefer to put it in more poetic terms at first. At least until someone asks questions. It lets people keep the concept at arms length more comfortably, if it conflicts with their personal understanding of the world.

@Dina

That's a good point, actually. If you assume the "magic" is mostly trickery and exaggeration, it would make a ton of cognitive tricks (like dancing with lions instead of becoming lunch) make a ton more sense.

I hope all the builders in the world treat you both like common clay. (They overcharge royalty for subpar work.)

I'll be back with more later. I'm taking an axe to cryptography at the moment. It's a *very* useful cognitive trick.
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