Does Marcone have Little Chicago?

[Conspiracy Theorist]

Doesn’t need it- Bob has the internet now and can project any image required - satellite and streetview are available to Harry as are the Planning and zoning records on-line and websites like Skyscraper City which track the progress of major buildings.

Sending the Little Folk sampling may end up with a pizza flavoured LC through contamination of the samples. Harry’s detective training would have prevented that.

LC2 would be larger and should include Demonreach- indeed making Little Demonreach is a priority. Harry has the space to set aside for just such a project now so the sub-basement size constraint is gone and it would allow him to keep an Eye on the island and converse with Alfred. He could make it on the island quickly with the benefit of his Intellectus and Alfred collecting samples. Indeed following BG Alfred can meet him at the Lake Shore to bring weapons or collect crystals. Harry is too vulnerable on the water. Can Alfred carry Harry to and from Demonreach? Probably underwater at enormous speed which would be terribly funny the first time Harry orders it. Alfred was able to turn up almost immediately in BG.

Another thought LD would be much smaller, Harry could build it on a portable base, so it could go in the back of say an old style hearse. It would allow Harry to take it with him out and about. As the Munstermobile is a company car anyone who damages faces the wrath of Mab, so it would be nice and safe, making it easier to meet Alfred at the Lakeshore.

[vincentric]

Yeah, you don't need to do much on the research side now that Harry can use Bob to access the internet. Just what you can get Google Maps is pretty thorough.

[Conspiracy Theorist]

Harry would have used old fashioned paper maps to lay out the grid of LC, but  wouldn’t have  a visual record unless he took photographs on an old fashioned film camera (he’s used disposables in the past). The internet records would allow him to access elevation plan detail as well as photos much faster.

Demonreach would be massively easier still because of his Intellectus, he can easily add contours, structures, trees because he knows them perfectly, and it is less prone to change than LC. A smaller project that can be accomplished in a much shorter time with less of an impact on the narrative but adding massively to his overall security in eliminating many of his trips to the island. Harry might be able to summon Alfred in person to LD and whatever he is carrying, and would increase his control over Alfred (just when he is having doubts)

[Ed0517]

harry could likely model Demonreach, and maybe talk to Alfred, but I doubt summon him. Too much juice thru a mini version. I think the reason they needed Ethniu at the water was Alfred can only be so far from his source of power, the dark well. Can't drive out to Schaumberg and just summon him.

[g33k]

Yeah, you don't need to do much on the research side now that Harry can use Bob to access the internet. Just what you can get Google Maps is pretty thorough.

Date/accuracy of Googlemaps is problematic.
Harry needs current data.

And with post-BG rebuilding as an ongoing project for city/state/fed & private owners, Harry would need to update LC on a daily basis...

[Mira]

Date/accuracy of Googlemaps is problematic.
Harry needs current data.

And with post-BG rebuilding as an ongoing project for city/state/fed & private owners, Harry would need to update LC on a daily basis...

Yeah, maybe an hourly basis.

[Conspiracy Theorist]

Really? Perhaps in 2014 before the Timelapse feature was added, but I use them professionally for much the same purpose in identifying changes to buildings for valuation purposes. I cross check against the local planning and zoning records on line.

I presume Google would seek to update its records on Chicago fairly promptly following the damage, they need to for their ongoing driverless car project as soon as the roads are clear, which they appear to be by The Law. The internet is clearly back by The Law as well. As soon as it was Harry must have been really annoying to everyone he knows by e-mailing them stuff like cat videos and memes which did the rounds YEARS ago, but are entirely novel to the first on-line wizard. Early adopters, don’t you just hate them?

[Mira]

Really? Perhaps in 2014 before the Timelapse feature was added, but I use them professionally for much the same purpose in identifying changes to buildings for valuation purposes. I cross check against the local planning and zoning records on line.

I presume Google would seek to update its records on Chicago fairly promptly following the damage, they need to for their ongoing driverless car project as soon as the roads are clear, which they appear to be by The Law. The internet is clearly back by The Law as well. As soon as it was Harry must have been really annoying to everyone he knows by e-mailing them stuff like cat videos and memes which did the rounds YEARS ago, but are entirely novel to the first on-line wizard. Early adopters, don’t you just hate them?

Except Harry still cannot use a computer as far as I know.

[Conspiracy Theorist]

Bob can, he’s his own operating system (Little Things) and he can project on the walls of the Castle. He has to worry about viruses from all the porn sites he visits though.

Because Bob is magical instead of Ferromancy Harry’s proximity doesn’t affect him, so he can use him like a magical Siri or Alexa (Bobs ideal threesome) “Bob, email Will tomorrows itinerary and attach that amusing cat video”.

This gives me pause for thought if people believe enough in an A.I. system will it become a Spirit of Intellect? Worse yet, what if people looking for A.I. think that Bob is one? Or Bonea?

[Mira]

Bob can, he’s his own operating system (Little Things) and he can project on the walls of the Castle. He has to worry about viruses from all the porn sites he visits though.

Because Bob is magical instead of Ferromancy Harry’s proximity doesn’t affect him, so he can use him like a magical Siri or Alexa (Bobs ideal threesome) “Bob, email Will tomorrows itinerary and attach that amusing cat video”.

This gives me pause for thought if people believe enough in an A.I. system will it become a Spirit of Intellect? Worse yet, what if people looking for A.I. think that Bob is one? Or Bonea?

However Bob has been known to get things wrong, and Bonea is just figuring out that just because it moves when sloshed, milk isn't a living being.

[Conspiracy Theorist]

Bob is like any other thinking system “Garbage in, Garbage out” he isn’t as good with the internet as Gary but then few people are (porn distractions maybe) Harry makes plenty of mistakes based on the information he has (or has not asked about).

Another thought- what if the info about Starborn that Bob has was linked to Kemmler and Harry accidentally deleted it in Dead Beat creating Evil Bob? It stands to reason Bob would have that info and that Harry would have asked and the only reason he wouldn’t know would be this. This would be before the whole Starborn thing became an issue.

[Mira]

Bob is like any other thinking system “Garbage in, Garbage out” he isn’t as good with the internet as Gary but then few people are (porn distractions maybe) Harry makes plenty of mistakes based on the information he has (or has not asked about).

Another thought- what if the info about Starborn that Bob has was linked to Kemmler and Harry accidentally deleted it in Dead Beat creating Evil Bob? It stands to reason Bob would have that info and that Harry would have asked and the only reason he wouldn’t know would be this. This would be before the whole Starborn thing became an issue.

No, Harry didn't accidentally delete the information related to Kemmler.  After he asked Bob to remember the information, Evil Bob emerged and tried to kill Harry.  Then Harry ordered him to forget it forever.  What Harry didn't know, and maybe not Bob either was blocking that information permanently would create Evil Bob, I guess you can say no information can be completely lost. 

[Conspiracy Theorist]

No, Harry didn't accidentally delete the information related to Kemmler.  After he asked Bob to remember the information, Evil Bob emerged and tried to kill Harry.  Then Harry ordered him to forget it forever.  What Harry didn't know, and maybe not Bob either was blocking that information permanently would create Evil Bob, I guess you can say no information can be completely lost.

Tell that to the Archive, once the Oblivion War is won and all copies of rituals gone she will likely be impelled to kill herself so that it is.

[vincentric]

Date/accuracy of Googlemaps is problematic.
Harry needs current data.

And with post-BG rebuilding as an ongoing project for city/state/fed & private owners, Harry would need to update LC on a daily basis...

If that were true it would be pointless to even have begun the construction of LC in the first place. At the time of construction Harry didn't have the time or resources to update LC weekly, if he had to do it daily to keep it functional that would be his full-time job. Google Maps or an equivalent would be the starting template but after that you only need to track construction and demolition of large scale not every time someone builds a new fence or deck.

[Mira]

If that were true it would be pointless to even have begun the construction of LC in the first place. At the time of construction Harry didn't have the time or resources to update LC weekly, if he had to do it daily to keep it functional that would be his full-time job. Google Maps or an equivalent would be the starting template but after that you only need to track construction and demolition of large scale not every time someone builds a new fence or deck.

Actually if I remember correctly, detail is important..