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Offline Mr. Mouse

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Two thoughts on the timing of Mab's wedding announcement.
« on: October 13, 2021, 09:43:55 PM »
Mab refers to a "fusion of bloodlines" in announcing her decision to marry Harry to Lara. This seems strange considering that the Raith and McCoy bloodlines are already fused in the persons of Thomas and his unborn child. In fact, they were the topic of conversation that Mab changes with her declaration. But with Thomas imprisoned in Demonreach and the pregnant Justine in the wind, if Mab needs to have a backup entity with that genetic mix on hand for her designs she might think it be best to get started as soon as possible. Therefore, Mab would ideally want them consummating a marriage. I understand Jim says Harry will have no more children, but Mab doesn't know that.

The other element of timing is that the announcement comes while Harry and Lara are still shaking on a deal, or given the spark Harry feels, perhaps it was a Deal. Could the spark have constituted a magical binding and Mab recognized it for what it was when Harry and Lara didn't? Maybe that's why Mab chides Harry about selling pieces of his soul willy nilly for other people's benefit. And maybe, Mab sees making Lara a member of the Winter court, consort of the Winter Knight, as being a way to short circuit what Harry had accidentally done. Harry felt a strong fae generated compulsion to do things he'd rather not do in order to satisfy the favor Mab granted Lara. Perhaps Mab fears that the committment to save Justine (and/or the unborn child) will override some future order she gave and by subsuming that Deal into a larger formal alliance via marriage her wishes would regain priority of place.

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Re: Two thoughts on the timing of Mab's wedding announcement.
« Reply #1 on: October 14, 2021, 10:28:43 PM »
The thought is that perhaps Mab’s intent is to bring The White Court into Winter, and the marriage between Lara and Harry makes Lara a candidate for the Fae Mantles. Mab has expressed having Thomas as the Winter Knight, maybe Lara as the Winter Lady (yes I know the whole virginity thing might be a stretch for Lara) replacing Molly in a Halloween transfer of the Mantle.


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Re: Two thoughts on the timing of Mab's wedding announcement.
« Reply #2 on: October 14, 2021, 10:40:50 PM »
I'd be down with getting Molly free of the Winter Court. I don't think it's going to happen though. She'd immediately fall back under the White Council's domain and they'd declare her a warlock immediately.

There's going to be enough shenanigans in Twelve Months, just with dealing with Papa Raith once and for all and declaring Lara as the head of the White Court. No way could they attempt to swap Winter Ladies. Although, it's a possibility for the future books.
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Re: Two thoughts on the timing of Mab's wedding announcement.
« Reply #3 on: October 14, 2021, 11:54:34 PM »
Molly would fall under the Wizard of Chicago (she has wanted that for sooooo long) rather than the Merlin and his crowd.

Not going to happen in Next Book, but the wedding vows may end up with Lara leading a celibate life or break her word, the marriage will be unconsummated. If Lara is faithful to Harry for a year between solstices and undergoes some sort of purification ritual linked would she be a born again virgin?

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Re: Two thoughts on the timing of Mab's wedding announcement.
« Reply #4 on: October 15, 2021, 12:31:07 AM »
Molly would fall under the Wizard of Chicago...
Really?

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Re: Two thoughts on the timing of Mab's wedding announcement.
« Reply #5 on: October 15, 2021, 07:54:35 AM »
Really?

All indications are that she would deliberately trip him to achieve this.

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Re: Two thoughts on the timing of Mab's wedding announcement.
« Reply #6 on: October 16, 2021, 08:46:51 AM »
Here's some thoughts....

What if the low fertility rate amongst Whamps is on one side. The men. They only kick out a few hundred at a time (human normal is in the millions). So  - Thomas is not likely to have many children. Harry, presumably, would produce more.

Lara as Winter Lady, replacing Molly? Mab could be playing the long game.  What about the hypothetical daughter of Harry and Lara? Wizard genes, a strong line, and Whamp blood too? Possible hybrid vigor too - she could be very dangerous.

And, while I think this unlikely - sorry Thomas - what makes us 100% sure the baby is Thomas'? If the shadow of a Fallen Angel can make a spirit of intellect with harry... can Nemesis do anything with a woman? Parthenogenesis?
 

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Re: Two thoughts on the timing of Mab's wedding announcement.
« Reply #7 on: October 16, 2021, 08:59:37 AM »
Here's some thoughts....

What if the low fertility rate amongst Whamps is on one side. The men. They only kick out a few hundred at a time (human normal is in the millions). So  - Thomas is not likely to have many children. Harry, presumably, would produce more.

Lara as Winter Lady, replacing Molly? Mab could be playing the long game.  What about the hypothetical daughter of Harry and Lara? Wizard genes, a strong line, and Whamp blood too? Possible hybrid vigor too - she could be very dangerous.

And, while I think this unlikely - sorry Thomas - what makes us 100% sure the baby is Thomas'? If the shadow of a Fallen Angel can make a spirit of intellect with harry... can Nemesis do anything with a woman? Parthenogenesis?
If you go that route, she does not even have to be pregnant.

But it is far more likely that nemesis somehow tweaked the conception a bit  than that Nemesis faked a pregnancy.
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Re: Two thoughts on the timing of Mab's wedding announcement.
« Reply #8 on: November 07, 2021, 10:40:09 PM »
I guess one of Mabs key comcers is always going to be having good hosts ready to take over mantle (s). She just used up two good ones. At the same time nemesis is very active at the moment, so if e.g. Molly needs to be replaced the replacement needs to be effective from day one (and Lara would be).

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Re: Two thoughts on the timing of Mab's wedding announcement.
« Reply #9 on: November 08, 2021, 03:18:39 PM »
Here's some thoughts....

What if the low fertility rate amongst Whamps is on one side. The men. They only kick out a few hundred at a time (human normal is in the millions). So  - Thomas is not likely to have many children. Harry, presumably, would produce more.

Lara as Winter Lady, replacing Molly? Mab could be playing the long game.  What about the hypothetical daughter of Harry and Lara? Wizard genes, a strong line, and Whamp blood too? Possible hybrid vigor too - she could be very dangerous.

And, while I think this unlikely - sorry Thomas - what makes us 100% sure the baby is Thomas'? If the shadow of a Fallen Angel can make a spirit of intellect with harry... can Nemesis do anything with a woman? Parthenogenesis?

As the winter lady, Lara would be required to be celebate, whether she wanted to be or not (see Carlos' injuries). How could a whampire survive for the (potentially) hundreds of years between her taking the Winter Lady mantle and her replacing Mab?

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Re: Two thoughts on the timing of Mab's wedding announcement.
« Reply #10 on: November 08, 2021, 06:42:57 PM »
Had Lara been the Winter Lady Carlos would have died a virgin. While sex is one way to kill it doesn't seem to be the only way for Whites. 

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Re: Two thoughts on the timing of Mab's wedding announcement.
« Reply #11 on: November 09, 2021, 09:30:26 AM »
As the winter lady, Lara would be required to be celebate, whether she wanted to be or not (see Carlos' injuries). How could a whampire survive for the (potentially) hundreds of years between her taking the Winter Lady mantle and her replacing Mab?

Hypothetical daughter is not really a Whamp until she is no longer a virgin - see.. Inari, was her name? and Irwin Pounder's gf

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Re: Two thoughts on the timing of Mab's wedding announcement.
« Reply #12 on: November 09, 2021, 07:18:12 PM »
Had Lara been the Winter Lady Carlos would have died a virgin. While sex is one way to kill it doesn't seem to be the only way for Whites.

Yes & no. Hypothetically if she got stuck with the mantle, I think Lara probably does have the self-discipline to keep to strictly non-reproductive stuff that wouldn't trigger the mantle's self-protection functions.

That's still enough for a whampire to live on if they're doing enough of it, but feeding in smaller bites is clearly less efficient for them. She still could kill in other ways with an active effort and enough time to devote to it, but she's unlikely to get so carried away in the act as to do that.

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Re: Two thoughts on the timing of Mab's wedding announcement.
« Reply #13 on: November 09, 2021, 07:26:38 PM »
Or the mantle would just like drive away or even destroy the demon as unwanted influence. It is much stronger.

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Re: Two thoughts on the timing of Mab's wedding announcement.
« Reply #14 on: November 09, 2021, 08:48:50 PM »
The bit about Carlos was tongue in cheek. He would not have involved himself with Lara.