What will Eb do?

[groinkick]

So Carlos said that if Harry steps out of line they will send Eb to take him out (or Eb gets executed)...  So obviously this is going to happen.  What do you see Eb doing?  Will he come after Dresden, get executed, or turn on the White Council?  If he turns on the White Council what do you see him doing? 

Could we have a White Council civil war?

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I think a civil war of sorts may happen - Gray Council vs Black Council style. People choosing between profession and relationships. Perhaps Eb would lead one side, and The Merlin leads the other, with a few folk staying out of the conflict (like the gatekeeper)

[TheCuriousFan]

So Carlos said that if Harry steps out of line they will send Eb to take him out (or Eb gets executed)...  So obviously this is going to happen.  What do you see Eb doing?  Will he come after Dresden, get executed, or turn on the White Council?  If he turns on the White Council what do you see him doing? 

Could we have a White Council civil war?

We're absolutely on track for a White Council civil war (hopefully with less offscreen action than the last two wars) and Ebenezar potentially defying the council is another potential spark flying through the air near the powderkeg.

[Mira]

We're absolutely on track for a White Council civil war (hopefully with less offscreen action than the last two wars) and Ebenezar potentially defying the council is another potential spark flying through the air near the powderkeg.

  I think it is going to be difficult to predict how Eb will act, especially when he hears about Harry's pending engagement.  No, he won't kill his grandson, or will he?  Thinking better he's dead than the sex puppet of a White Court Vamp. 

[Yuillegan]

We're absolutely on track for a White Council civil war (hopefully with less offscreen action than the last two wars) and Ebenezar potentially defying the council is another potential spark flying through the air near the powderkeg.

I agree, and I am looking forward to it. A Langtry versus McCoy showdown would be epic. Although, I think Jim's style would be more in the fashion of a divide and conquer scenario by the Black Council.

So the power keg will explode, and too late the Senior Council and others will realise they have been set-up, and while the White Council is infighting they will either be wiped out or amalgamated into a new organisation. Even Eb doesn't wish the White Council to go down, and he'd die to defend it. Even Harry realises the world might be lesser for it (as it stands) without the White Council. That being said, they won't leave him alone and will force the issue.

  I think it is going to be difficult to predict how Eb will act, especially when he hears about Harry's pending engagement.  No, he won't kill his grandson, or will he?  Thinking better he's dead than the sex puppet of a White Court Vamp. 

Eb would kill the entire White Court before allowing that to happen. Unless he has some reason not to. I still find it odd that he gave up trying to kill the White King.

[Mira]

Eb would kill the entire White Court before allowing that to happen. Unless he has some reason not to. I still find it odd that he gave up trying to kill the White King.

Eb is a busy man, I think he tried at least three times to kill Raith, but his magic wouldn't touch him.. If Eb used the Black Staff on him and it still didn't work, time to move on.  Besides Eb may have figured out that Margaret's death curse was doing it's job, and Lord Raith was effectively neutralized.

[BrainFireBob]

The question is: Who knows that Eb is Harry's grandfather?

If Langtry does, he's stuck with eliminating Harry legally using the Wardens- difficult without Morgan and with Lucio down.

If he doesn't, I look forward to the scene where he orders Eb and then plays Roshambeau with the one wizard who doesn't care about his wards.

[Mira]

The question is: Who knows that Eb is Harry's grandfather?

If Langtry does, he's stuck with eliminating Harry legally using the Wardens- difficult without Morgan and with Lucio down.

If he doesn't, I look forward to the scene where he orders Eb and then plays Roshambeau with the one wizard who doesn't care about his wards.

I wouldn't  be surprised if Rashid knows since he was good friends with Margaret.  Nor would I be shocked if Listen to Winds knows, but I doubt anyone beyond that knows.

[Griffyn612]

Arianna knew, so there's a chance Nemesis knows, which means ant ally of Nemesis can be told, and they can quietly disseminate the info as much as needed. I'd say it's not much of a secret to those with the most knowledge.

[Second Aristh]

The vampire leaders knew from Maggie Sr’s dinner argument. I’d be surprised if any senior council member was unaware except maybe Cristos tbh.

[Mira]

Arianna knew, so there's a chance Nemesis knows, which means ant ally of Nemesis can be told, and they can quietly disseminate the info as much as needed. I'd say it's not much of a secret to those with the most knowledge.

Yes, I thought we were just talking about with in the White Council, but you're right.

[Yuillegan]

Eb is a busy man, I think he tried at least three times to kill Raith, but his magic wouldn't touch him.. If Eb used the Black Staff on him and it still didn't work, time to move on.  Besides Eb may have figured out that Margaret's death curse was doing it's job, and Lord Raith was effectively neutralized.

Sure he is, but considering what he did to Casaverde I hardly think he would have trouble with nuking them. Hell, I hardly think he would have trouble with them if he walked in the front door. Also, even more strange is that he didn't realise Lord Raith's weakness to physical objects. Sure, magic slides off him. Harry had no problem hurling an object with magic at him. Eb could have nuked Raith any time he liked. I think he either lied about the attempts, which is why he's so touchy. He doesn't want Harry to find out whatever grubby deal he has going with them. Or Eb was told specifically not to and there are other protections in place.

Even then, why not hire another assassin who specialises in physical kills rather than magic? Goodman Grey would be a great choice. I am sure there are others. Either Eb never tried or he gave up easily because he was forced to. I don't believe Eb went "Oh well, too hard - guess I'll go back to planting corn". He's not the sort. He's made earthquakes happen and volcanos erupt. Also, it isn't like you need to kill the White King. You could kill the others and imprison the White King.

The question is: Who knows that Eb is Harry's grandfather?

If Langtry does, he's stuck with eliminating Harry legally using the Wardens- difficult without Morgan and with Lucio down.

If he doesn't, I look forward to the scene where he orders Eb and then plays Roshambeau with the one wizard who doesn't care about his wards.

Oh, I think the Merlin knows. He's the Merlin after all. Even if not...he could work it out eventually. Not to mention, Eb does care about the Merlin's wards. He is acknowledged to have the best ones. Even Eb admits they are good. I think that Eb would have to bring his A-game for Langtry.

[TheCuriousFan]

I agree, and I am looking forward to it. A Langtry versus McCoy showdown would be epic. Although, I think Jim's style would be more in the fashion of a divide and conquer scenario by the Black Council.

I mean, strongest spear vs strongest shield is a classic for a reason, it'd be fun to see, it's a shame that Harry would have to be cuffed to a wall or something to actually spectate it properly.

[b4utoo]

I think Eb leaves the Counsel before shit hits the fan. And takes Luccio and a bunch with him. including Carlos.. A friend is a friend is a friend.

[Yuillegan]

I mean, strongest spear vs strongest shield is a classic for a reason, it'd be fun to see, it's a shame that Harry would have to be cuffed to a wall or something to actually spectate it properly.

Jim did say he'd show them fighting in a short story or spin off. That whole thing where they fought on opposite sides in the French-Indian war.

Harry could be injured or something. Hardly abnormal for him. I am not going to rule out a small duel between them. Maybe even one like Harry and Eb have, which gets interrupted. Maybe by the Black Council.