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Nemesis & Vampire Courts Vs Mab.
« on: May 04, 2021, 04:05:45 PM »
Ok, we have a WAG today. Specifically detailing why Mab wants to ally with the White Court and is using Dresden to do it.

At this point Nemesis has strong ties or infiltrated all of the known Vampire Courts.

The Reds before they were wiped out were summoning Outsiders during the war with the White Council and timing most of their major offensives in cases Harry was handling that had Major Implications and consequences for both Mab and the state of the Supernatural world. This happened during Summer Knight, Dead Beat, Proven Guilty and is also supported by the fact the Reds were snubbing Mab by using the Ways.

The Black Court. In Grave Peril, Mavra was working closely with Bianca, who had ties to Cowl and Kumari. In Dead Beat, Mavra coincidentally she sent Dresden after the Word of Kemmerer  *exactly* when Cowl and Kumori were going after it. Her motivations were hinted at Necromancy and its abilities to control Blampires, however I doubt that was the *only* reason. It seemed more like she used Dresden as a cat's paw to act on her behalf without outwardly acting against her "allies". Mavra again pops up during Battle Ground with Dracula during another Nemfected sponsored assault on Mab and the Accords.

The White Court; Most obviously and firstly, during Blood Rites where Lord Raith was helping the cult of "porn star sorceresses" use Outsider sponsored entropy curses. Madge was even possessed by HWWB.

We see White Court vampire possession by an Outsider again in White Night by Vittorio Malvora who had enlisted Madrigal Raith's help and involvement. In Turn Coat we also see Madeline Raith also be enlisted on behalf on the Traitor in the search for Donald Morgan, this works two-fold by also implicating the White Court in engaging in hostilities with the White Council. Lastly, in Battle Ground where we find out Justine is also infected by Nemesis and possessed and was able to blackmail Thomas into acting against the Svartelves, which again, brings the White Court into hostilities.

My theory is, Mab is definitely aware of this and seeking to marry off Dresden to ally the Winter Court and White Court are two fold. One, it gives Mab a concrete ally and try to cut off Nemesis' playback taking over or manipulating the White in further hostilities as they will essentially be backed by Mab and vice-versa. Two, Dresden has a knack for disrupting the plots of Nemesis and exposing their plants. Having Dresden in such close proximity to the White Court might force any other Nemfected or allies of Nemesis to expose themselves in an attempt to avoid detection by Nemesis or take Dresden out. Mab gets 3 for 1 deal, a concrete ally in the White Court, potentially getting any Nemesis plants to expose themselves or get taken out by Dresden, and third outmanuevering  Nemesis before they subvert the entirety of the remaining Vampire Courts to their side.

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Re: Nemesis & Vampire Courts Vs Mab.
« Reply #1 on: May 04, 2021, 08:02:34 PM »
Oof, mab has a habit of putting Harry alone in phone booths with things she suspects are nemfected actually..

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Re: Nemesis & Vampire Courts Vs Mab.
« Reply #2 on: May 05, 2021, 06:58:39 AM »
Yeah I think Mab has some interest.  First to get Harry into a member of the Accords for protection.  I think you may be on to something.  I don't know if she's concerned about the White Court falling, but Lara is.  By marrying Dresden I think she is bolstering her position within the Court.  They may think twice about messing with her for fear it could bring Mab's wrath.  So Lara made this deal with Mab or vice versa. 
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Re: Nemesis & Vampire Courts Vs Mab.
« Reply #3 on: May 05, 2021, 07:20:59 AM »
Yeah I think Mab has some interest.  First to get Harry into a member of the Accords for protection.  I think you may be on to something.  I don't know if she's concerned about the White Court falling, but Lara is.  By marrying Dresden I think she is bolstering her position within the Court.  They may think twice about messing with her for fear it could bring Mab's wrath.  So Lara made this deal with Mab or vice versa.
Harry is already a member.

Mab wants to keep Lara on her side and that is enough reason. Lara wants Mab’s support to strengthen her position in the white court.

And a child with Harry would be a very powerful white court vampire with maybe magical skills. It would increase tho power of her court.
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Re: Nemesis & Vampire Courts Vs Mab.
« Reply #4 on: May 07, 2021, 12:40:49 AM »
I strongly suspect that White Court females cannot conceive. 

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« Reply #5 on: May 07, 2021, 10:43:23 AM »
I strongly suspect that White Court females cannot conceive.
White Night features a vampire mother.
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Re: Nemesis & Vampire Courts Vs Mab.
« Reply #6 on: May 07, 2021, 11:49:45 AM »
Who is the WC mother in White Night?  Lady Malvora is "Auntie," I believe. 

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Re: Nemesis & Vampire Courts Vs Mab.
« Reply #7 on: May 07, 2021, 01:21:10 PM »
Who is the WC mother in White Night?  Lady Malvora is "Auntie," I believe.

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"The Crown," Raith interjected, "recognizes Cesarina, the Lady Malvora."
"Thank you, my King," Lady Malvora said. "While I cannot help but admire my Lord Skavis's audacity, I fear that I have no choice but to cut short his attempt to steal glory not his own from the honorable House of Malvora."
Raith's voice remained amused. "This should be interesting. By all means, elaborate, dear Cesarina."
"Thank you, my King. My son, Vittorio, was on the scene and will explain."

I think a mother vampire has the big advantage that she can feed while pregnant so the childs feeding will be not that dangerous.
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« Reply #8 on: May 07, 2021, 02:09:18 PM »
I see, you could be right.  This is what I was thinking of:

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"Have fun.  I won't be one of the people fighting him."
"Yes, you will," Vitto replied. "You can face the wizard.  Or you can face dear Auntie Cesarina."
Madrigal froze again, staring at Vitto.

Kindle Ed., Page 353, Location 5731. 

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"Like those near Lord Skavis, a core of organization had formed around Lara and her father. Someone—I saw a flash of Justine’s terrified face—was holding a little air horn up and triggering it wildly. I spotted Vitto Malvora, charging the ghouls around his fallen aunt—and watched as he threw himself on the remains with an inhuman howl, and began feasting beside the creatures who had killed her."

Kindle Ed., page 376, Location 6089. 


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Re: Nemesis & Vampire Courts Vs Mab.
« Reply #9 on: May 07, 2021, 02:52:50 PM »
Either Cesarina did her brother or Jim made a mistake somewhere. But even if he did the sentence showed that at that moment when he wrote it the idea of a white court vampire mother was not an impossible thought.

I really see no reason why not.

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