Trap an Archangel foreshadowing?

[groinkick]

All the way back in Fool Moon, Harry talked about a specific type of magic circle.  One that is very difficult to do properly, but used to contain something huge like an Archangel.  Do you think this could be foreshadowing at all?  This Circle was mentioned once, and used improperly resulting in a woman's death.  Harry blamed himself.  Still it makes me wonder if it will eventually be used for someone......

[TheCuriousFan]

I figure it's more a worldbuilding detail left over from before he decided to make anything angel-related one step short of omnipotent.

[forumghost]

All the way back in Fool Moon, Harry talked about a specific type of magic circle.  One that is very difficult to do properly, but used to contain something huge like an Archangel.  Do you think this could be foreshadowing at all?  This Circle was mentioned once, and used improperly resulting in a woman's death.  Harry blamed himself.  Still it makes me wonder if it will eventually be used for someone......

On the other Hand, when Harry calls up Uriel in Changes, he says something like "I mean, that's a nice Circle there Harry, but you don't actually think it'd do anything, right?" (Of course, that was just a mental circle, but still).

I certainly hope that Jim doesn't have something like an Archangel just get trapped in a circle like some common Pixie, that'd be pretty lame.

[Arjan]

I figure it's more a worldbuilding detail left over from before he decided to make anything angel-related one step short of omnipotent.

But maybe that is just what he thinks because that is his story :-)

[Snark Knight]

I've wondered, but Fool Moon Harry was basically a moron. Even in Summer Knight he thought the Queens were throwing around power that could rival the archangels to create the battlefield in the sky ... he had no idea what he was on about, at that point. It's a justifiable error when archangels basically don't use their power hardly ever, but I don't think he'd say that after meeting Mr Sunshine.

[Arjan]

I've wondered, but Fool Moon Harry was basically a moron. Even in Summer Knight he thought the Queens were throwing around power that could rival the archangels to create the battlefield in the sky ... he had no idea what he was on about, at that point. It's a justifiable error when archangels basically don't use their power hardly ever, but I don't think he'd say that after meeting Mr Sunshine.

Uriel did not use his power after they met either.

But it was not Harry, it was Lea and she knows much more than Harry and can not lie:

"Of course," Lea said. "They exist in opposition. Each wields vast power, wizard—power to rival the archangels and lesser gods. But they cancel one another flawlessly. And in the end, the board will be evenly divided. The lesser pieces will emerge and do battle to decide the balance."

But this was Summer Knight about Mab and Titania. And maybe not all archangels are equally powerful.

[The_Sibelis]

I figure it's more a worldbuilding detail left over from before he decided to make anything angel-related one step short of omnipotent.

I don't think it's left over. It includes one very important detail and let's you know that detail applies to a certain tier of being. More importantly, it lets us know that such beings exist. Those that are so blended on both spectrums they can have nigh inconceivable power,(and immortality?)but also be mortal enough to effect Fate itself. It has many nuances to it. Though I think the most direct reason it is put there is, it's the goal of the walkers and, it's what starborn have the potential to become. Something that straddles the line on both sides.

[LostInTime]

Archangel, or fallen angel?

[groinkick]

Archangel, or fallen angel?

could be!

[Avernite]

30 coins, one circle, buried under Harry's floor. He already tried with just 1!

[LostInTime]

Of course, if it were capable of holding an archangel, why couldn't it hold Mother Winter?

[Mira]

  Uriel clearly meant that no magic circle was going to hold him if he didn't want to be held.  At least not one that Harry could make at that time.  Now these days, with Alfred's help, could he bind Uriel and stick him in a cell on Demonreach?  With the power of the Spear as well?  He might..  Same thing goes for Mother Winter, he did manage to bind a titian didn't he?

[LostInTime]

Plus, he gave Mab a gut check by threatening to imprison her, and she blinked.

[Arjan]

Plus, he gave Mab a gut check by threatening to imprison her, and she blinked.

Mab was on the island at that time.

[b4utoo]

CAN
NOT
BIND
URIEL
SHHHHHHH...
You only could take advantage of his limits