How Mab gets Harry to kill loved ones

[Mira]

It was not an order. It was more like a statement about what she thought should be done in such a case. She explained it which is a big thing, she did not do that in the past. It does impress the gravity of the situation on Harry. It makes him think about what to do.

Does she have to order formally though?  "Will someone rid me of this meddlesome priest." Was all Henry had to say, and Beckett was murdered.  If someone else over heard her say it to Harry, it could happen.

[The_Sibelis]

If he points out how it breaks their deal he can squeeze out of it without repercussions I think. More interesting though, is harry becoming a saint and declaring he loves all of humanity or something. That kinda blanket effect, if done with proper form(meaning it) would irk Mab dearly but getting around it would be crafty.

[Arjan]

Does she have to order formally though?  "Will someone rid me of this meddlesome priest." Was all Henry had to say, and Beckett was murdered.  If someone else over heard her say it to Harry, it could happen.

Henry was not Sidhe. If Mab says something like that maybe someone will do it but no one will feel obliged to do so.

[Avernite]

If he points out how it breaks their deal he can squeeze out of it without repercussions I think. More interesting though, is harry becoming a saint and declaring he loves all of humanity or something. That kinda blanket effect, if done with proper form(meaning it) would irk Mab dearly but getting around it would be crafty.

Yeah, but, it requires Harry as a saint. How likely is that?

[Mira]

Henry was not Sidhe. If Mab says something like that maybe someone will do it but no one will feel obliged to do so.

But that is the whole point, Mab is off the hook because of the bargain, she knows she cannot order Harry to do it, but at the same time she has put her wishes out there.  No one is obliged to do it, but they might do it because it is their Queen's wishes.  Henry didn't order Beckett killed, no one felt obliged to do it, but they did anyway hoping to curry favor with the king perhaps, or because it in a way gave them permission, because they too felt that Beckett was a pain in the ass.

[Arjan]

But she only told Harry and he doesn’t do something just because Mab would like it.

But with Henry? They might have geeked it was a command.

[Mira]

But she only told Harry and he doesn’t do something just because Mab would like it.

But with Henry? They might have geeked it was a command.

Apparently they did, because some of his knights/lords proceeded to murder Beckett.  Did she only tell Harry?  Could she have voiced it to others? 

[The_Sibelis]

Yeah, but, it requires Harry as a saint. How likely is that?

*turns slowly*, less likely than nicodemus :O

[Arjan]

Apparently they did, because some of his knights/lords proceeded to murder Beckett.  Did she only tell Harry?  Could she have voiced it to others?

It was a private conversation. She would not have explained herself in public.

[Mira]

It was a private conversation. She would not have explained herself in public.

Really?  Unless precautions are taken Andriel hears and sees everything...

[Arjan]

Really?  Unless precautions are taken Andriel hears and sees everything...

He must pay attention to a specific individual at that moment. Anduriel does not hear everything.

[LostInTime]

I'll throw this out there too. Harry owes Mab a favor, plus, he's the Winter Knight, which means he owes all of the Winter Queens unlimited favors, excepting only that he doesn't have to accept any that would hurt the ones he loves.

He also owes Molly a favor from bargaining for the ring in Peace Talks. She warned him to not make an open-ended deal with the fae, but Harry's is remarkably dim in foresight.

Harry owed Lea a debt, and somehow, Mab wound up owning that debt. It's possible she ordered Lea to surrender that debt to her. We don't know what went on behind the scenes. Mab could do the same with Harry's debt to Molly.

Harry's favor to Mab is a conditional, he doesn't have to accept the favor asked. But Molly's debt has no conditions attached to it.

[Mira]

I'll throw this out there too. Harry owes Mab a favor, plus, he's the Winter Knight, which means he owes all of the Winter Queens unlimited favors, excepting only that he doesn't have to accept any that would hurt the ones he loves.

He also owes Molly a favor from bargaining for the ring in Peace Talks. She warned him to not make an open-ended deal with the fae, but Harry's is remarkably dim in foresight.

Harry owed Lea a debt, and somehow, Mab wound up owning that debt. It's possible she ordered Lea to surrender that debt to her. We don't know what went on behind the scenes. Mab could do the same with Harry's debt to Molly.

Harry's favor to Mab is a conditional, he doesn't have to accept the favor asked. But Molly's debt has no conditions attached to it.

But the owing of favors can be a tricky thing..  Mab owed Nic a favor and in Skin Game she repaid it, remember?  She used the fact that she owed him a favor to set him up for a fall in revenge for what he did to Marcone.  She also knew that her Knight would use his head, and grab all the artifacts,so she loaned her Knight for the job.  It may have backfired on her a bit though, stay tuned.

[Arjan]

But the owing of favors can be a tricky thing..  Mab owed Nic a favor and in Skin Game she repaid it, remember?  She used the fact that she owed him a favor to set him up for a fall in revenge for what he did to Marcone.  She also knew that her Knight would use his head, and grab all the artifacts,so she loaned her Knight for the job.  It may have backfired on her a bit though, stay tuned.

Not on Mab. Harry will use them for her purpose anyway.

[Mira]

Not on Mab. Harry will use them for her purpose anyway.

You think not?  And you think Harry will use them to her purpose anyway? Remember what she said at the end of Small Favor, that time her purpose and that of Uriel was one and the same, which hints that isn't always the same.  Who do you think Harry will listen to if it comes to choosing?