Except that it is quite possible that the Christian view on things is just one of the many valid ones and that the white god is also the three main Hindu gods or the sky Godoy tengrism. Watch out before you claim someone who will be quite different from whom you think he is.
I don't think we are on different sides of this. To be clear, I am not claiming anything about our world just the Dresden Files multiverse. In saying that...the being that is referred to as TWG or Creator or Almighty (the names appear to be interchangeable) in the series and on these forums (which seems to be the same being), is the Creator of and apparent ruler of the Dresden Files multiverse. Seemingly this being answers to many names because it's so big it can't be contained by just one name or idea. Knowing what we know about names in the Dresdenverse it's clear that such a beings "true" name isn't known, just a series of identities humanity has assigned to it - which both shape it yet ultimately the being is still what it is. Jim once said that it isn't the beings themselves that change, just humanity's perception of who and what they are. Jim hasn't explored the Hindu religion much (and has said he is a little uncomfortable doing so), but he has mentioned it. The theory that TWG is also Trimurti or Devi etc is probably just as valid as anything else. We simply don't have enough information. Although I will say that Zeus and Odin according to their respective legends created the universe...and that doesn't
quite seem to be the case. Perhaps they are simply emanations or offshoots off of some greater being as Serack and others have suggested. We may never know.
Actually it is explicitly said. People see only part of the picture:
Again, we seem to be arguing the same point. I even referenced that EXACT metaphor
He had a whole metaphor about 3 blind men and an elephant (google it if you need).
. Jim has quoted it a few times, not to mention writing it into his series. It's one of the bigger hints about the nature of the Creator.
A scheme that can be used to view almost any religion as valid and a path to the truth and gives none of them exclusively.
They are all right so Jim confirming some Christian mythology does not really make all the other things invalid. They are also true and all seeming inconsistencies are just due to our limitations.
I never said anything was invalid. In fact I was first to make the point that the seeming inconsistencies were due to human limitation. Your argument was that TWG is a god like any other and that's patently untrue. You haven't proven that at all. TWG/Creator/Almighty was the one who created reality...so things were not 'fine' before he showed up. There is no telling and what would happen if TWG left reality or was forgotten about...but in the latter case all that would mean is the being was less accessible and had less access itself. As for whether reality would survive TWG leaving or dying (assuming either option were possible...depends on what the Creator is) there is no way to know what would happen, but I would guess being the Dresden Files it would be fairly bad. If it makes you more comfortable call TWG by another name, the main problem being unless you explicitly connect that name to the Creator and his associated forces etc, it might be that people don't understand you. That's why most people on the internet when talking about the Creator being of the Dresdenverse (not Jim of course) use the term TWG or Almighty, because that's the pattern Jim uses.
The age of mythology had everything happen at once, according to WOJ linear time as we understand didn’t exist, so from the perspective of god level and above beings cause and effect simply did not exist. The White God likely imposed linear time on reality, from that point of view that would make him the creator, even though he existed in parallel to other entities of a like power level, and didn’t create them he was there first by creating the condition for there to be a first. The imposition of linear time out of non-linear time allowed for the evolution of man AND for the creation myths to simultaneously exist. The Earth is both billions years old AND 6000 years old at the same time. The artifacts most likely predate linear time and since caught up in it have appeared in many guises. The Grail may for example have been Zeus’ cup borne by Ganymede in the age of mythology. The Athame his thunderbolt, The Shroud the Golden Fleece, the Crown of Thorns his Laurel Wreath. Both are equally true.
The White God is therefore the Creator in every creation Myth under different names, whether as a single being, or group of beings, because as the Christian God they are three in one Father, Son and Holy Ghost. A unified yet also simultaneously multiple identity. All version of the creator are the true version.
The argument as regards Christ was that the White God created a part of itself that could bleed, it could therefore use its blood in a major spell within the framework of reality without breaking it or infringing it’s own rules as regards non-intervention. Christ was a designed step down such as that taken by Odin to be able to intervene in mortal reality.
When Ethnui was hiding it was more like laying low, staying below the radar, not exhibiting power at a reality breaking level until Battle Ground, not unlike several god level entities posing as wrestlers. She was keeping the truce, in fact though she was biding her time.
Again, even if there was some pre-universe age of myth the being called TWG and Creator etc. appears to be of a different sort to Zeus and other such Godhead deities. Archangels and the Mothers are at Zeus level...TWG is a level above that. Think about it, how else could one being of the same power impose it's will on the rest? It would have to have been the major entity around. I am not saying TWG is necessarily any more Christian than Hindu or Jewish or Muslim...I am saying it is beyond such concepts because it existed before humanity could conceive such things. Before humanity even existed. It's akin to a force of reality like Gravity (or perhaps all of them) more than a single being in the one spot.
It's an interesting theory you put forward but I haven't seen anything to suggest that this is what Jim wrote or conceived. If you choose to view it that way go for it but I don't think it's the actual case of what is true to the series.
We are in agreement mostly on what The White Christ (TWC) is and was created for. Just as Beowulf is a facet of the being that Odin is, distilled down for human reasons, I think that it's a fair assumption that TWC (who was been repeatedly mentioned and objects tied to him have appeared) is much the same for the TWG. It's an interesting idea that TWG needed to be able to bleed, and so had to create a mortal offshoot in order to do that without breaking it's own rules (the whole sandbox thing). I don't think there is any hard evidence to support that...but it's a sound enough idea anyway. The blood definitely seems to be important, and I daresay the sacrifice was at least partially planned. It would depend on the ratio of predestination to chance, although that isn't mutually exclusive either. And then there is Free Will involved...
Also, to be clear - nowhere does it say that Ethniu showing up in Battle Ground caused reality to break (like it might have if Ferrovax showed his TRUE form). The evidence for that is that reality DIDN'T break...although it clearly was struggling. Ethniu was straining reality around her. But like Uriel or Ferrovax (and she was stronger than Ferro) she had a form that she could move around reality in without instantly collapsing it. Perhaps she couldn't go to her true form...but more likely that isn't exactly what she wanted. In fact, I think she would have exposed herself to intervention from higher-tier cosmic beings. Ferrovax could have fought her openly, or perhaps the Angels etc. I doubt she was looking for that. It was the Eye of Balor that really made things unstable anyway...that's what Bob talks about in Battle Ground. It's not clear whether the gods that are pro-wrestlers could manifest their full might anymore even if they wanted to. I get the impression that Vadderung can't just power up and get what he lost back, he has purposely traded off the majority of his power for the chance to be more involved.
Let there be light.
Heh, I like the snark. I guess the Dresden Files universe probably should be thankful for that.
But on a more serious note, it's always interesting how modern understanding is "Let there be light" is the moment of Creation, probably because the imagery of that with the Big Bang works. However if you actually read Genesis you will see that in the first sentence God creates the Heavens and the Earth. The second sentence says " And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep." And then the third sentence "And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters." Only then do we get to "Let there be light". This is from the King James Version. Which makes sense, God's created the Heavens and the Earth but everything is dark and therefore needs light, and so makes that too. Which is pretty impressive, as it seems like God creates everything
in the dark. Lots of interpretations on what all that means, but just thought I would share that fun bit.
