The Red Court vs. The Fomor

[Mira]

Marcone. Harry's always been able to notice whether it was the human or the Fallen speaking.

But would he have done it if he didn't have one of the Fallen prodding him?

[TrueMonk]

I think Marcone would have liked to do it regardless, but maybe it was a bit easier to do it now that it was not certain that Ethniu could swat him like a fly.

[Mira]

I think Marcone would have liked to do it regardless, but maybe it was a bit easier to do it now that it was not certain that Ethniu could swat him like a fly.

That's the point, without a coin in his pocket, would he have done it? 

[Bad Alias]

That's the point, without a coin in his pocket, would he have done it?

Probably. Before you knew he had a coin, did it surprise you that Marcone stood up to her?

[Mira]

Probably. Before you knew he had a coin, did it surprise you that Marcone stood up to her?

Yes, it did, I think he was confident because he had the coin, and both Odin and Ferrofax were in
the room.  He must of felt he had their backing, though perhaps unless Namshiel clued him in I doubt he knew just how dangerous she actually was at the time. 

[Avernite]

Probably. Before you knew he had a coin, did it surprise you that Marcone stood up to her?

It didn't surprise me.

[Bad Alias]

I don't recall anybody here, or elsewhere, expressing their surprise. But my point was that it was totally in keeping with his character to stand up to her.

What did surprise me was Marcone's hesitance to protect children, at virtually no cost to himself, during BG. While I think that might have been our first clue of Namshiel's influence, I could argue both sides of that one.

[vincentric]

I think his hesitance was more because Harry was the one prodding him. If those people had been escorted in by anyone else, he'd have let them right in.

[The_Sibelis]

I think his hesitance was more because Harry was the one prodding him. If those people had been escorted in by anyone else, he'd have let them right in.

that doesn't vibe with earlier books, Harry's always the one prodding him to do the right thing. I'm sure he'll be the one prodding him back from the gates of hell later too...

[vincentric]

that doesn't vibe with earlier books, Harry's always the one prodding him to do the right thing. I'm sure he'll be the one prodding him back from the gates of hell later too...

Harry always prods Marcone to do the right thing and usually the smart thing for Marcone's interests. Marcone always reacts with obstinance while thinking it through or pretending he hasn't already considered all the options and ramifications. It's part of his mob boss persona to do it that way so he always appears in control. He probably does it with everyone but just enjoys it more with Harry.

[Mira]

Harry always prods Marcone to do the right thing and usually the smart thing for Marcone's interests. Marcone always reacts with obstinance while thinking it through or pretending he hasn't already considered all the options and ramifications. It's part of his mob boss persona to do it that way so he always appears in control. He probably does it with everyone but just enjoys it more with Harry.

He also works the angles, what is in it for him?  In Changes he saw nothing in it for him, even to save a child, so he turned Harry down.

[Bad Alias]

But he didn't turn Harry down in Changes.

[vincentric]

He also works the angles, what is in it for him?  In Changes he saw nothing in it for him, even to save a child, so he turned Harry down.

He didn't turn Harry down. He gave him the little information that he had and had Gard introduce him to Vadderung.

[Mira]

He didn't turn Harry down. He gave him the little information that he had and had Gard introduce him to Vadderung.

He didn't go with him either, at that point Harry needed fighters with him, not just information.  I called that turning him down, there was no guarantee that Vadderung would be any help to Harry.

[TheCuriousFan]

He didn't go with him either, at that point Harry needed fighters with him, not just information.  I called that turning him down, there was no guarantee that Vadderung would be any help to Harry.

No, at that point Harry had no idea where she was or would be (beyond the repeatedly mocked "somewhere in Mexico") and Marcone pointing him at the supernatural info broker absolutely helped on that front. It was after that that Harry found out he'd need way more muscle.