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Re: Something Occured to Me as to Why the Senior Council is so Afraid of Harry
« Reply #120 on: January 25, 2021, 04:12:00 PM »
Quote from: BrainFireBob on January 25, 2021, 03:36:40 PM
It makes him fair game to eliminate as both Warden (so the post can be filled by a sycophant) and more importantly, he's not sporting the Eye but must have the Eye. It's an excuse to axe him and rifle his stuff to find it for the Council.

Power corrupts.
Marcone has the eye.  ;D
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Re: Something Occured to Me as to Why the Senior Council is so Afraid of Harry
« Reply #121 on: January 25, 2021, 04:48:33 PM »
Maybe. It's one of them, but Marcone's a vanilla mortal, not a practitioner, and therefore not a serious threat to rob.
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Re: Something Occured to Me as to Why the Senior Council is so Afraid of Harry
« Reply #122 on: January 25, 2021, 05:18:37 PM »
Quote from: Arjan on January 25, 2021, 04:12:00 PM
Marcone has the eye.  ;D

what?  Do you mean people don't know who has it?  Because Harry has it
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Re: Something Occured to Me as to Why the Senior Council is so Afraid of Harry
« Reply #123 on: January 25, 2021, 06:22:36 PM »
Quote from: groinkick on January 25, 2021, 05:18:37 PM
what?  Do you mean people don't know who has it?  Because Harry has it

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“I mean, I’m not sure where it is,” I said

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A little smile played on the corners of Lara’s mouth. “The last I saw,” she said, “you were the one running off with the Eye, Baron.”

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Re: Something Occured to Me as to Why the Senior Council is so Afraid of Harry
« Reply #124 on: January 25, 2021, 06:49:50 PM »
You let out the best of it! The "prove it". :D

 
Quote from: BrainFireBob on January 25, 2021, 03:36:40 PM
It makes him fair game to eliminate as both Warden (so the post can be filled by a sycophant) and more importantly, he's not sporting the Eye but must have the Eye. It's an excuse to axe him and rifle his stuff to find it for the Council.

Power corrupts.

Seriously, I don't think that is the case. They cannot move against the Warden "just because" (and it is very dangerous. Harry could release the worst things on them). And it is not easy to replace him with a sycophant. The sycophant would need to best Alfred. The Warden title was vacant for years, it is clear than the White Council was not eager to conquer it.
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Re: Something Occured to Me as to Why the Senior Council is so Afraid of Harry
« Reply #125 on: January 25, 2021, 06:59:09 PM »
Quote from: Dina on January 25, 2021, 06:49:50 PM
You let out the best of it! The "prove it". :D

 
Seriously, I don't think that is the case. They cannot move against the Warden "just because" (and it is very dangerous. Harry could release the worst things on them). And it is not easy to replace him with a sycophant. The sycophant would need to best Alfred. The Warden title was vacant for years, it is clear than the White Council was not eager to conquer it.

Which begs the question.....  Where has the other Warden been?  I don't know if the Council is capable of doing anything.  Didn't Harry use Soulfire to make the connection?  I don't know if anyone on the Council can use Soulfire.
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Stole this from Reginald because it was so well put, and is true for me as well.

"I love this place. It was a beacon in the dark and I couldn't have made it through some of the most maddening years of my life without some great people here."  Thank you Griff and others who took up the torch.

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Re: Something Occured to Me as to Why the Senior Council is so Afraid of Harry
« Reply #126 on: January 25, 2021, 08:15:45 PM »
Quote from: Dina on January 25, 2021, 06:49:50 PM
You let out the best of it! The "prove it". :D
I tend to interpret “prove it” as an admission of guilt.
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Seriously, I don't think that is the case. They cannot move against the Warden "just because" (and it is very dangerous. Harry could release the worst things on them). And it is not easy to replace him with a sycophant. The sycophant would need to best Alfred. The Warden title was vacant for years, it is clear than the White Council was not eager to conquer it.
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Re: Something Occured to Me as to Why the Senior Council is so Afraid of Harry
« Reply #127 on: January 25, 2021, 08:31:07 PM »
I just loved this particular "prove it" because a)it's the same that Marcone told Harry before. b) Harry loved to say it in Marcone's face.
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Re: Something Occured to Me as to Why the Senior Council is so Afraid of Harry
« Reply #128 on: January 25, 2021, 08:39:17 PM »
Quote from: Dina on January 25, 2021, 08:31:07 PM
I just loved this particular "prove it" because a)it's the same that Marcone told Harry before. b) Harry loved to say it in Marcone's face.
Yes it is something criminals say so it is apropriate to say it to a criminal.
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Re: Something Occured to Me as to Why the Senior Council is so Afraid of Harry
« Reply #129 on: January 26, 2021, 07:12:16 PM »
Quote from: groinkick on January 25, 2021, 06:59:09 PM
Which begs the question.....  Where has the other Warden been?  I don't know if the Council is capable of doing anything.  Didn't Harry use Soulfire to make the connection?  I don't know if anyone on the Council can use Soulfire.

Unless until his death, Kemmler was still Warden of Demonreach.  Alfred cannot go out and recruit, and the White Council might blame being Warden of Demonreach on how Kemmler ultimately turned out.
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Re: Something Occured to Me as to Why the Senior Council is so Afraid of Harry
« Reply #130 on: January 26, 2021, 07:24:00 PM »
Quote from: Mira on January 26, 2021, 07:12:16 PM
Unless until his death, Kemmler was still Warden of Demonreach.  Alfred cannot go out and recruit, and the White Council might blame being Warden of Demonreach on how Kemmler ultimately turned out.

Wait Kemmler was Warden????  Is there a WOJ on this?  I never heard this before
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Re: Something Occured to Me as to Why the Senior Council is so Afraid of Harry
« Reply #131 on: January 26, 2021, 07:46:43 PM »
Yes, there is a WoJ, but I believe he said that Kemmler was the Warden before the Warden before Dresden. I may be wrong though. JB said that was one of the reasons why the Council is so wary of Dresden.
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Re: Something Occured to Me as to Why the Senior Council is so Afraid of Harry
« Reply #132 on: January 26, 2021, 07:59:39 PM »
Quote from: Dina on January 26, 2021, 07:46:43 PM
Yes, there is a WoJ, but I believe he said that Kemmler was the Warden before the Warden before Dresden. I may be wrong though. JB said that was one of the reasons why the Council is so wary of Dresden.
Probably because the other one was Harry’s mother ;D
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Re: Something Occured to Me as to Why the Senior Council is so Afraid of Harry
« Reply #133 on: January 27, 2021, 01:02:34 AM »
Quote from: Mira on January 25, 2021, 01:16:08 PM
Or as in an old Peter Baker episode of DR Who, called "The Deadly Assassin," the Doctor, now President of the Council of Galafrey, has all the trouble makers kicked out of the city.  He does that
not just to protect them from an alien invaders capable of reading their minds, but because outside
the city they are able to fight against the invaders something they couldn't do with in.
I thought of that too. (Not the Dr. Who comparison, though). It's the only thing besides stupidity and incompetence that makes sense to me.

Quote from: BrainFireBob on January 25, 2021, 03:36:40 PM
It makes him fair game to eliminate as both Warden (so the post can be filled by a sycophant) and more importantly, he's not sporting the Eye but must have the Eye. It's an excuse to axe him and rifle his stuff to find it for the Council.

Power corrupts.
I still think that's dumber than declaring him a warlock and killing him. They didn't know he would have the eye until after BG but started the process of kicking him out before BG. Maybe they started the process to get leverage on Harry the Starborn, not to kick him out, but people panicked after BG, and whoever was trying to gain leverage on the Starborn lost control of the situation.

Quote from: Dina on January 26, 2021, 07:46:43 PM
Yes, there is a WoJ, but I believe he said that Kemmler was the Warden before the Warden before Dresden. I may be wrong though. JB said that was one of the reasons why the Council is so wary of Dresden.
It was either one or two Wardens between Harry and Kemmler. I don't remember.

Quote from: groinkick on January 26, 2021, 07:24:00 PM
Wait Kemmler was Warden????  Is there a WOJ on this?  I never heard this before
Yeah. There's several new WoJ because he was doing a lot of publicity for BG. There were also a few microfictions like Christmas Eve. Here's a link to links to most of it. https://www.jim-butcher.com/posts/2020/farewell-to-2020
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Re: Something Occured to Me as to Why the Senior Council is so Afraid of Harry
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