New questions that come from PT and BF

[crazyut90]

After reading the whole series prior to Peace Talks and Battle Ground coming out several things have popped up and I would like to see what everyone's thoughts are on them, here we  go:
1. Several times in Battlefront Harry hears commands from both Molly and Mab in his head, since he is the winter knight and Mab is his liege lord, does she have a connection with him where she know what is going on with him?  It seems like going back to CD and SG that she knew more than she was told and I believe she has a contact with him similar to what Harry has to his supporters thru the Banner.  The reason i bring this up is her quick comments to Harry in Peace Talks about not bringing her name shame if he screws up the rescue of Thomas, it is like she knew what he was doing.
2. This is a big one, why does Mab want a better relationship with the White Court?  This one just doesn't seem to work out in everything that we have read to this point, unless Mab is grooming Lara for a Winter Lady position? or she knows that Lord Wraith is "N"infected and wants a closer look? We know from previous books that Mab always has several moves going at any time due to her responsibility of protecting the outer gates, so either is possible?
3. The last three books Mab has gotten way to close to the Baron of Chicago and I have thought that this was weird, until we find out that Marcone has a coin.  I believe that she knows this and is keeping her enemies close, and she still has payback to Namshield for attaching her home.  I thought Namshield was "N"infected, so now i wonder if Marcone is too?

[Dina]

Well, first, it's "Battle Ground" 

1-Yes, I agree with you. I don't think she knows all what is in Harry's head, but I think she has access of some of it. I don't know the details. That said, the explicit verbal communication between Harry and the queens was, I believe, a magic effect generated for the battle and not something that is always "on".

2-You are not the first in suggesting that Mab is grooming Lara as WL. In this same forum we argue that in several threads. I agree, only because that provides a way out for Molly. And because having Lara became a virgin, unable to have sex, would be very ironic. But besides that, I think that Mab wants to use the mundane connections and resources of the White Court. Lastly, she now knows that Lara needs to keep Harry alive, and she is providing a good way to her to be near him. And an engagement with the White Court would provide Harry with a good protection now that he is not White Council anymore.

3-Not proven, but I agree Mab knows Marcone (please, his name is Marcone) has Namshiel, and she is planning her revenge.

[Telynn]

Well, first, it's "Battle Ground" 

1-Yes, I agree with you. I don't think she knows all what is in Harry's head, but I think she has access of some of it. I don't know the details. That said, the explicit verbal communication between Harry and the queens was, I believe, a magic effect generated for the battle and not something that is always "on".

2-You are not the first in suggesting that Mab is grooming Lara as WL. In this same forum we argue that in several threads. I agree, only because that provides a way out for Molly. And because having Lara became a virgin, unable to have sex, would be very ironic. But besides that, I think that Mab wants to use the mundane connections and resources of the White Court. Lastly, she now knows that Lara needs to keep Harry alive, and she is providing a good way to her to be near him. And an engagement with the White Court would provide Harry with a good protection now that he is not White Council anymore.

3-Not proven, but I agree Mab knows Marcone (please, his name is Marcone) has Namshiel, and she is planning her revenge.

But did Mab know about Marcone before the ending meeting in BG?  Seems like when Harry called him Sir she had an epiphany and I thought it was that she figured it out right then.

[Dina]

I thought so too but after rereading that Mab puts her hand in Marcone shoulder I am pretty sure she felt it. Of course, it is my unproven theory. After all, Sir Marcone may be the honorific title for a Baron. All the Knights (including Harry) are Sir now, but that does not mean ONLY knights can use it.

[Snark Knight]

3. The last three books Mab has gotten way to close to the Baron of Chicago and I have thought that this was weird, until we find out that Marconi has a coin.  I believe that she knows this and is keeping her enemies close, and she still has payback to Namshield for attaching her home.  I thought Namshield was "N"infected, so now i wonder if Marconi is too?

I'm still not sure why she's so convinced it was Namshiel. Tessa and Rosanna are heckin' suspicious too.

If Namshiel and Marcone were infected, why fight against the Titan and the Fomor? They pretty much declared alliance with the Outsiders by coordinating the attack on Chicago with that on the Outer Gates.

[Arjan]

I thought so too but after rereading that Mab puts her hand in Marcone shoulder I am pretty sure she felt it. Of course, it is my unproven theory. After all, Sir Marcone may be the honorific title for a Baron. All the Knights (including Harry) are Sir now, but that does not mean ONLY knights can use it.

But in the text it is  Sir Baron, the sir gets the stress while usually the baron title is more important. I think it is clear that Harry wants to communicate that Marcone has become a Sir.

[Dina]

You are probably right in that, as you are more used to the nuances of "Sir" than I am. That said, beyond Harry's intentions, perhaps Mab already knew. I don't think it's too far fetched to think that she may detect a Fallen, or at least that the person is not entirely vanilla. I don't remember if Mab ever touched directly Marcone's skin, but if Harry can detect a practitioner with a handshake I am pretty sure that she can too.

[The_Sibelis]

@dina your #2 made me laugh. That would be very ironic. And force her to rely on the mantle because she couldn't feed properly.

[Telynn]

You are probably right in that, as you are more used to the nuances of "Sir" than I am. That said, beyond Harry's intentions, perhaps Mab already knew. I don't think it's too far fetched to think that she may detect a Fallen, or at least that the person is not entirely vanilla. I don't remember if Mab ever touched directly Marcone's skin, but if Harry can detect a practitioner with a handshake I am pretty sure that she can too.

She figured something out though when Harry said that.

[KurtinStGeorge]

1. I don't think Mab knew what Harry what up to until he asked his queen for her trust.  I appeared to me it was at that moment that Mab became fully clued in to what Harry was about to attempt to pull off.

2. Mab's interest in the White Court does seem somewhat odd, so for now the idea she thinks Lara might make a good replacement seems a plausible one.

3. I also believe Harry communicated to Mab; and anyone else who was clued in; most likely Ivy and Odin, that Marcone was now one of the Knights of the Blackened Denarius.  Mab's eyebrow went up and she said, "Much is explained."  It had to be perplexing how an ordinary vanilla mortal could have survived a direct confrontation with Ethniu, even with Harry's help.  Knowing Marcone had a fallen angel giving him advice and probably magical protection as well, made everything fall into place.

The next question is whether Mab knows that Thorned Namshiel is Marcone's new; ah, shall we say, business partner.  Mab could put together a mental list of the Denarians whose coins Marcone might have picked up and then subtracted any Denarians known to be operating with Tessa and further narrow down the list by subtracting any outstanding fallen who don't give their host access to some pretty powerful protective magic.  Thorned Namshiel would remain as a possible candidate on Mab's list, but I don't think we can say with certainty that Mab knows for sure.  However, one thing is certain.  Mab will want to find out; because it's in her nature, and I think that even without directly asking Harry which Denasrian's coin Marcone is holding, she will find out and she won't be pleased. 

Actually, even worse for Baron Marcone would be if Mab is pleased to find out where Thorned Namshiel has been hiding.  Marcone's statement to Harry in the castle dressing room can now be turned against him.  ""And Mab will not protect you."  After even minimal reflection at a future time, Harry will be likely to figure this out. 

[Dina]

By the way, I understand we don't see it on screen, but I assume Harry did tell the Knights about Marcone. If he didn't, I will be mad.

[KurtinStGeorge]

By the way, I understand we don't see it on screen, but I assume Harry did tell the Knights about Marcone. If he didn't, I will be mad.

I would certainly hope so.  Not that Harry should want or expect Sanya and Butters to go after Marcone as soon as their injuries heal, but as a professional curtesy Harry should inform them.

What bothers me is that Harry has never shared the fact that Nicodemus is vulnerable to being strangled by his own noose.  It makes me wonder whether Harry did tell Sanya and Butters about Marcone. 

[Arjan]

By the way, I understand we don't see it on screen, but I assume Harry did tell the Knights about Marcone. If he didn't, I will be mad.

Harry is not that good at telling people things.

[Dina]

I know, but that fact is quite important and those are some of his BFF, those who had his back and saved him for killing a man with his magic. He definitely owns them the truth.

[Arjan]

I know, but that fact is quite important and those are some of his BFF, those who had his back and saved him for killing a man with his magic. He definitely owns them the truth.

Did he ever tell them that Anduriel listens from shadows for example? That is also pretty important