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The Nine Billion Names of Harry Dresden
« on: August 17, 2020, 03:06:05 PM »
The TLDR version of this is that Harry Dresden is the Second Coming of Jesus Christ. This is beyond a tinfoil hat theory - I'm now wearing a tinfoil suit, with my office located in a tin mine somewhere. But the evidence seems to keep piling up to me, so read on if you find the speculation interesting.

We learned in Peace Talks that a Starborn is a cycle that occurs every 666 years.

It's the first connection we've had  linking Biblical lore to the Starborn status. It made me wonder if  Jesus qualified as "Starborn". The Bible certainly has the whole Born  under a Star / 3 Magi bit in it. If you run the math, the timeframe is  off by +/- 15 years, which cratered my speculation at that point.
But...I keep running into narrative clues.

For instance this little tidbit from Storm Front:

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The  world is getting weirder. Darker every single day. Things are spinning  around faster and faster, and threatening to go completely awry. Falcons and falconers. The center cannot hold.
But  in my corner of the country, I’m trying to nail things down. I  don’t want to live in Victor’s jungle, even if it did eventually devour  him. I don’t want to live in a world where the strong rule and the weak  cower. I’d rather make a place where things are a little quieter. Where  trolls stay the hell under their bridges and where elves don’t come  swooping out to snatch children from their cradles. Where vampires  respect the limits, and where the faeries mind their p’sand q’s.

My name is Harry Blackstone Copperfield Dresden. Conjure by it at your own risk. When things get strange, when what goes bump in the night flicks on the lights, when no one else can help you, give me a call. I’m in the book.

Falcons and Falconers. The Center cannot hold. Both of those are references to a  poem by William Butler Yeats. The name of the poem?

The Second Coming

That little warning at the end of Storm Front? The book that he's referring to? It's not the phone book...it's the Bible. The warning about conjuring by his name....you don't conjure by a name of God idly.

Here's some more textual foreshadowing, if you interpret it in a certain light:

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Denton stared at me as the soul gaze broke and we were released. He wasn’t reacting well to whatever it was he had seen inside of me.  His face had gone white, and his hand was trembling, the barrel of the  gun wavering every which way. He lifted his other hand to mop beads of  cold sweat away from his face.“No,”  Denton said, white showing all around the grey irises of his eyes.“No,  wizard.” He raised his gun. “I don’t believe in hell. I won’t let you.
 

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“Harry  Dresden,” he said dryly, “Meet Martha Liberty.” She shot him a look and  said pointedly, “He’s arrogant, Ebenezar. Dangerous.”I snorted. “That’s every wizard ever.” Martha continued as if I hadn’t spoken. “Bitter.  Angry. Obsessive.” Ebenezar frowned. “Seems to me he has good reason to  be. You and the rest of the Senior Council saw to that.”Martha shook her  head. “You know what he was meant to be. He’s too great a risk.”

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I exhaled wearily, and stopped even trying to hold the spell. “I don’t understand.” Uriel nodded. “That’s the difficult part of being mortal. Of having choice. Much is hidden from you.” He sighed. Love your child, Dresden. Everything else flows from there. A wise man said that,” Uriel said.

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“And  on a similar note, do not underestimate yourself. You haven’t been  given the power and the knowledge and the allies and the resources you  possess for no reason, Harry. Nothing I have to say can possibly make  this task any easier for you. The only way to do it is to do it. He  lifted his chin. You don’t need help, Warden. You are the help.

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Their  thoughts, or whatever madness it was that passed for them, began to  devour mine. I felt like my mind was being chewed apart by a swarm of  ants. And then for just an instant, the alien thought patterns made  sense, and I saw an image from their point of view – a  being made of coherent light, a column of glowing energy centers, and  pure dread, standing like an obelisk before the cornerhounds, a bolt of  terrible lightning gathered around its upraised fists, head, and  shoulders, like a miniature storm front.
I saw what they saw when they looked at me.
And I felt their fear.

Finally, we have the titles of the last 3 books in the series, the apocalyptic trilogy; Stars and Stones, Hell's Bells, and Empty Night.
I submit that Empty Night is a reference to a famous short story by Arthur C. Clarke. In the story the stars start winking out, one by one. The name of the story? The Nine Billion Names of God.

I'm  starting to strongly suspect that "Starborn" is something akin to  Jesus, an avatar of the White God. But he's all about Choice - so Harry  gets to choose to be good or evil, the same as any normal mortal  human...but the consequences of that choice could be a great deal bigger  then a normal life. Hence how everyone in the series who is in the know  are so darned nervous about him. Why more then a few keep testing his  morality. It's not on account of him being a Wizard, as he's always  thought. Morgan mentions in his microfiction about something called a Destroyer....that sounds a bit like an Antichrist to me.

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Re: The Nine Billion Names of Harry Dresden
« Reply #1 on: August 17, 2020, 03:45:38 PM »
Harry is the ultimate expression of free will designed to defeat any sort of predestination, he has shrugged off prophecies, entropy curses, death curses and the choosing of Valkyries. Harry dislikes and disrespects authority of most kinds. Harry is an outlier even among wizards.

This makes him the polar opposite of Uriel, who cannot do anything unless a Fallen has intervened. His boss is probably even more circumscribed. So creating an avatar who is the walking embodiment of free will, is literally the only way the White God can intervene.

The point is Harry is raw potential, but that potential can crystallise into either a Saviour, or a Destroyer depending upon the choices he makes. I suppose the vast majority of Dresdens in the multi-verse are neither, they are the meh Dresdens, but most people don’t have that range of potential.

In Mirror, Mirror, we may not see an Destroyer Harry, we may just see a meh Dresden, an ordinary Harry making some bad decisions. A Harry who is mediocre.
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Re: The Nine Billion Names of Harry Dresden
« Reply #2 on: August 17, 2020, 04:14:25 PM »
I like both of these posts! Nothing to add, just really like both of them! Explains a lot of what Uriel has been doing.

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Re: The Nine Billion Names of Harry Dresden
« Reply #3 on: August 17, 2020, 06:19:12 PM »
It's a plausible theory....

but from a Doylist perspective, it's a minefield of sensitive topics...

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Re: The Nine Billion Names of Harry Dresden
« Reply #4 on: August 17, 2020, 07:21:20 PM »
That is true.

Though Butcher gave himself a clever out with the idea of Mantles, cosmic hats, and the Jesus angle just being a reflection of some greater truth, all religions equally valid and all that.

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Re: The Nine Billion Names of Harry Dresden
« Reply #5 on: August 17, 2020, 07:30:20 PM »
It's a plausible theory....

but from a Doylist perspective, it's a minefield of sensitive topics...

I doubt Thomas will much like the theory either if Harry ever brings it up.

But that's because he's Doubting Thomas.

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Re: The Nine Billion Names of Harry Dresden
« Reply #6 on: August 17, 2020, 08:33:56 PM »
I doubt Thomas will much like the theory either if Harry ever brings it up.

But that's because he's Doubting Thomas.

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Re: The Nine Billion Names of Harry Dresden
« Reply #7 on: August 17, 2020, 08:44:48 PM »
More like pouting Thomas.

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« Reply #8 on: August 18, 2020, 12:17:23 AM »
Eh, I think (beyond the out-of-story reasons Jim wouldn't do this) Starborn are primarily about the reality/Outsiders conflict, which operates on a different level from the Heaven/Hell conflict. The Heaven/Hell conflict is about individual moral choice and good vs. evil; the reality/Outsiders conflict is about the stability of reality.

I suppose the vast majority of Dresdens in the multi-verse are neither, they are the meh Dresdens, but most people don’t have that range of potential.

I do think Harry dying and coming back has "activated" his Starborn potential somehow. In WN he needed Lash's help to escape Vitto Malvora's Outsider-fueled mental attack, but in CD he can stand up to HWWBefore directly in mental combat.

Though he was able to defeat HWWBehind long before that... but I think HWWBehind wasn't really trying to kill Harry, and didn't do the mental attack thing. Harry was clearly able to affect him though...

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Re: The Nine Billion Names of Harry Dresden
« Reply #9 on: August 18, 2020, 12:30:52 AM »
I am pretty sure one of the nine billion names of Harry Dresden is “idiot”.

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« Reply #10 on: August 18, 2020, 12:45:42 AM »
Though he was able to defeat HWWBehind long before that... but I think HWWBehind wasn't really trying to kill Harry, and didn't do the mental attack thing. Harry was clearly able to affect him though...

Knowing what we know now, it seems like the HWWBehind fight when he was a teenager was almost certainly a test -- to see if he really was a starborn.

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Re: The Nine Billion Names of Harry Dresden
« Reply #11 on: August 18, 2020, 01:16:56 AM »
Harry blew up the fuel pumps, real fire affects Outsiders.

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Re: The Nine Billion Names of Harry Dresden
« Reply #12 on: August 18, 2020, 02:01:00 AM »
Eh, I think (beyond the out-of-story reasons Jim wouldn't do this) Starborn are primarily about the reality/Outsiders conflict, which operates on a different level from the Heaven/Hell conflict. The Heaven/Hell conflict is about individual moral choice and good vs. evil; the reality/Outsiders conflict is about the stability of reality.

I do think Harry dying and coming back has "activated" his Starborn potential somehow. In WN he needed Lash's help to escape Vitto Malvora's Outsider-fueled mental attack, but in CD he can stand up to HWWBefore directly in mental combat.

Though he was able to defeat HWWBehind long before that... but I think HWWBehind wasn't really trying to kill Harry, and didn't do the mental attack thing. Harry was clearly able to affect him though...
Also he could actually understand Sharkface's name.

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Malice slithered up my spine and danced in spiteful shivers over the back of my neck. I could sense the thing’s hostility—not the mindless anger of a fellow boy I’d needled beyond self-restraint, or Justin’s cold, logical rage. This was something different, something vaster, more timeless, and deeper than any ocean. It was a poisonous hate, something so ancient, so vile, that it could almost kill without any other action or being to support it, a hate so old and so virulent that it had curdled and congealed over its surface into a stinking, staggering contempt.

This thing wanted to destroy me. It wanted to hurt me. It wanted to enjoy the process. And nothing I said, nothing I did, would ever, ever change that. I was something to be eradicated, preferably in some amusing fashion. It had no mercy. It had no fear. And it was old, old beyond my ability to comprehend. It was patient. And if I proved too disappointing to it, I would only break through the veneer of that contempt—and what lay beneath would dissolve me like the deadliest acid. I felt . . . stained, simply by feeling its presence, stained as if it had left some hideous imprint or mark upon me, one that could not be wiped away.

And then it was behind me, so close it could almost touch, its outline towering over me, huge and horrible.

And it leaned down. A forked tongue slithered out from between its horrible shark-chain-saw teeth, and it whispered, in a perfectly low, calm, British accent, “What you have just sensed is as close as your mind can come to encompassing my name. How do you do?”
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And then an enormous swirling form emerged from the clouds overhead—a face, but only in the broadest, roughest terms, like something a child would make from clay. Lightning burned far back in its eyes, and it spoke in the voice of gale winds.

I AM GATEBREAKER, HARBINGER!

I AM FEARGIVER, HOPESLAYER!

I AM HE-WHO-WALKS-BEFORE!

For a second, I just stood there, staring up at the sky, shocked.

Hell’s bells.

It worked.

The thing spoke, and as it did, I knew, I knew what it was, as if I’d been given a snapshot of its core identity, its quintessential self.

For one second, no more than that, I understood it, what it was doing, what it wanted, what it planned and . . .

And then that moment was past, the knowledge vanished the way it had come—except for one thing. Somehow, I’d held on to a few crumbling fragments of insight.

As for HWWB, that was a pretty clear test, he basically went down a list of ways to goad Harry into fighting him in clinical fashion and then stood there and took the hit even when Harry warned him about it.
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Re: The Nine Billion Names of Harry Dresden
« Reply #13 on: August 18, 2020, 04:26:51 AM »


   Will have to go back and look, but wasn't that about the time that Harry hit back hard with a kick ass wizard vision of himself with his power rooted both in the earth and in Heaven?

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Re: The Nine Billion Names of Harry Dresden
« Reply #14 on: August 18, 2020, 05:30:12 AM »
What about that girl Lydia with the prophetic vision Cassandra's Tears from Grave Peril? She gave Harry a vision that by now we know implies the kickoff to the BAT (there's even confirmation by Jim she helps kick it off. Though I'm not sure where it is...)

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"Fire," she whispered. "Wind. I see dark things and a dark war. I see my death coming for me, out of the spirit world. And I see you at the middle of it all. You're the beginning, the end of it. You're the one who can make the path go different ways."

"That's your vision? Iowa has less corn."

She turned her face away. "I see what I see."

How much do you guys think that plays into the theory?
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