Why Can't Eb Just Be Honest With Harry?

[Mira]

Okay, I will go along with the idea that Eb cannot tell Harry everything about being a star born.  However why can't he level with him over his extreme hate and prejudice towards vampires?  He alluded that they did something truly horrible to him and or his family, but he needs to say just what it was.  As it stands now, they could have murdered his wife, mother, father, and God knows who else, or he is basing it all on seeing them do something nasty in the woodshed.  Point is, if he told Harry what it was, Harry would have a clearer understanding of where Eb is coming from..  It would save a lot of time between the two fencing over it, and create a base for possible reconciliation with the idea that he has a vampire for a grandson.

[Conspiracy Theorist]

Because maybe he already has a vampire in the family, Mavra is about the right age to be Ebs mother/grandmother if you take her to be a contemporary of Shakespeare given by her normal dress.

Eb never directly interacted with her when Harry’s hand got flambeed, he was the get away driver, his role to lock down her magic. Mavra is strong enough a magic user to have been a wizard before she was converted by the Black Court.

When Dracula came out it would have been around the time Eb was Captain of Wardens meaning he would have been up to his neck in that little enterprise.

[morriswalters]

Did your grandfather share stories about his loves and hates with you? About his mistakes and secret shames? About who he had sex with and where? If he did you have a particularly special grandfather.

[Arjan]

It seems that Ebenezer does not trust Harry and wants control over him to educate and shape him into someone more to his liking.

But also:"Come on. I'm a wizard. We have union rules against telling anybody anything,"

[Mr. Death]

Are we forgetting that a White Court Vampire seduced and then murdered Ebenezer's daughter?

What makes you think there has to be some other, hidden reason for him to hate vampires besides that?

Does Harry have some other, hidden reason for why he hates ghouls aside from the fact ghouls did horrible things to people Harry cared about?

It's really not that complicated.

[Mira]

Did your grandfather share stories about his loves and hates with you? About his mistakes and secret shames? About who he had sex with and where? If he did you have a particularly special grandfather.

 It is a little more serious than that, Eb is entitled to keep his sex life private, but this is a major hate
 and it had created a wall between him and Harry... His hate has blinded him so badly that Eb couldn't conceive of the idea the Raith was living with Margaret?  And he had dinner with them a couple of times a year? Really?

It seems that Ebenezer does not trust Harry and wants control over him to educate and shape him into someone more to his liking.

I agree he wants to control Harry, but what is odd are the sudden trust issues, those seemed to be
resolved as of Changes or just before, he and Harry shared some pretty serious conspiracy theories that could get both of them in a lot of trouble or dead.. That requires the deepest of trust.

Are we forgetting that a White Court Vampire seduced and then murdered Ebenezer's daughter?

No, but at the same time from Eb's reaction to the fact that Thomas is his grandson...He was in total denial that Raith was boinking his daughter, something that should have been obvious..

[Arjan]

Or he knew but he did not think about offspring. His daughter was under their influence and now he thinks Harry is too. Thomas might be his grandson but he is a monster and Ebenzer expect him to do what monsters do. So his grandson is doing stupid things because of vampire influence that will lead to his dead. He wants to get Harry back whatever it takes.

[Mira]

Or he knew but he did not think about offspring. His daughter was under their influence and now he thinks Harry is too. Thomas might be his grandson but he is a monster and Ebenzer expect him to do what monsters do. So his grandson is doing stupid things because of vampire influence that will lead to his dead. He wants to get Harry back whatever it takes.

Yeah, but he is going about it totally the wrong way.. 

[Bad Alias]

What makes you think there has to be some other, hidden reason for him to hate vampires besides that?

Didn't Eb say there was someone else?

And he had dinner with them a couple of times a year?

He had a dinner with Maggie, some vampires, and probably some others. We've been through this.

[Arjan]

Yeah, but he is going about it totally the wrong way..

The right way would have been to join Harry on the boat and have a chat but Harry had three monsters on board and his free will was compromised by Lara. You can not expect Ebenezer to go on board under these circumstances.

Freydis chose exactly the right illusion to make everything worse.

[Mira]

The right way would have been to join Harry on the boat and have a chat but Harry had three monsters on board and his free will was compromised by Lara. You can not expect Ebenezer to go on board under these circumstances.

Freydis chose exactly the right illusion to make everything worse.

Oh no, that conversation needed to happen way before this, and Harry has known all along how
Eb felt.. 

He had a dinner with Maggie, some vampires, and probably some others. We've been through this.

Which is weird when you think of that, Eb said it was something else besides Raith killing Margaret. Well, if he felt that way, how could he have dinner with them?

[Arjan]

Oh no, that conversation needed to happen way before this, and Harry has known all along how
Eb felt.. 

But Eb is difficult to talk with especially if he feels strongly about something. And it was not his secret to reveal, not his alone.

Which is weird when you think of that, Eb said it was something else besides Raith killing Margaret. Well, if he felt that way, how could he have dinner with them?

Because Raith had not yet killed her?

[Bad Alias]

Which is weird when you think of that, Eb said it was something else besides Raith killing Margaret. Well, if he felt that way, how could he have dinner with them?

What Arjan said plus we don't know when or what the something else was. Just to clarify, it was in addition to killing his daughter.

[Bad Alias]

After clicking "post," it occurred to me that his explosive behavior at that dinner seems to suggest that Eb was acting in character in this book. I bring it up because a lot of people say he was acting out of character. I didn't really see that, myself.

[Arjan]

After clicking "post," it occurred to me that his explosive behavior at that dinner seems to suggest that Eb was acting in character in this book. I bring it up because a lot of people say he was acting out of character. I didn't really see that, myself.

It was in character, he behaves like that in Changes, but more extreme. Already in the sample chapters he shows a lack of control that is greater than it used to be.

What is surprising is not his feelings and opinions about it and not even his reaction but his lack of control while doing so.