I'm trying to understand this argument. My understanding of the coins is that the fallen within can only act through their hosts. That absent a rider they can't act in the world at all. The WOJ quoted earlier seems to support this. When Lash was burned out of Harry's head that connection to the coin was lost. The connection was destroyed and Lasciel no longer has access. I took the shadow who whispered to be Anduriel. Not Lasciel. In so far as I know he is the only Fallen who could have known that Harry had a broken back.
As long as Lash was onboard she could call Lasciel, but she is gone, leaving Bonea behind. The guitar piece was just something Lash programmed in, the voice was an echo. Jim beat that gag(the voice) to death with Harry mother. I'm pretty sure she is not living in Harry's head.
That is logical, I hadn't thought about Andriel doing Nic's bidding, Jim harped on Lasciel's "woman
scorned" thing for so long I think most of us did think it was Lasciel who did the whispering. However as I argued it is very hard to set that up, unless the bit about how until Harry, it was impossible to scrub a shadow of the Fallen from one's brain once it has entered. Only logical thing I could come up with is there was still a pathway even after Lash sacrificed herself.
As I said Harry even proclaimed to Mab that if he wanted to he could call up the coin and not have to
become her Knight. Was he lying, mistaken, or was it possible?
In my opinion, the whispers in the office to get him to kill himself worked a lot better than the Hannah Asher/Lasciel showdown in Skin Game for the woman scorned bit.
I'm trying to understand this argument. My understanding of the coins is that the fallen within can only act through their hosts. That absent a rider they can't act in the world at all. The WOJ quoted earlier seems to support this. .
Exactly.
As long as Lash was onboard she could call Lasciel, but she is gone, leaving Bonea behind. The guitar piece was just something Lash programmed in, the voice was an echo. Jim beat that gag(the voice) to death with Harry mother. I'm pretty sure she is not living in Harry's head.
I agree, yet at the end of White Night that echo Harry heard scared him so much, he immediately went to dig up the coin and called Father Forthill to pick it up. So Harry at least thought there still might be a connection that he didn't want any part of. Also though it most likely doesn't mean anything, but I cannot remember if Harry has touched a guitar since White Night in any of the stories. Though I guess one could argue, and this is far fetched I know, but while Lash is gone, Bonnie is her daughter, that might be enough of a connection for Lasciel to use even if she was an embryo at the time. That sort of fits with Jim's hints that Harry isn't going to have an easy time with his new spirit daughter. However the general feeling is because Bonnie is an innocent in the ways of the world, but then again if she was born with the knowledge of her parents, how could she be?
In other words you can't cite canon that says the Fallen can act without a rider? The passage in Ghost Story doesn't seem to specify which fallen acted.
I don't think anyone can, as far as I know Anduriel is the only one who has the abilty to listen in and see everyone. It doesn't specify which of the Fallen made that visit to be sure, but the whole "woman scorned" thing made Lasciel the likely candidate. However there are problems with trying to make that theory work given the rules set down for the Fallen. However Anduriel would know all about Harry's difficulty since he can be everywhere, and Nic, his host can instruct him to act. Nic is human so he isn't going to worry about the angelic rule about not messing with free will in humans. Anduriel is one of the Fallen, he isn't going to worry about it either.