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Re: Morgan Micro Fiction
« Reply #240 on: March 01, 2020, 11:51:10 PM »
Just an odd thought.  Mab would have to change the identity she uses in the mortal world from time to time.  It would look awfully strange if her law degree was from the 19th century or the early 20th century. 

I did a little research and the first female lawyer in the U.S. was a woman named Arabella Mansfield; and she was admitted to the Iowa Bar in 1869.  In the UK, the first woman to "be called to the bar" was one Ivy Williams in 1922; though she never practiced law.  The first women to practice as a barrister in the UK was called to the bar a few months later.  Her name was Helena Normanton.  In France, the first woman to be allowed to act as an attorney was one Victorie de Villirouët, during the French Revolution in 1797-98; though it would be another 102 years until another women would legally be allowed to do the same thing in France.  She successfully defended her husband against a charge of treason.  If Mab had been there; well, I picture her being a prosecutor rather than a defender.

I recall Mab used the last name Summerset in Summer Knight.  That was a reference that the Summer Solstice was almost at hand, a harmless play on words.  However; with the injunction the fae have against telling direct lies, I think there would be a stricter code for Mab to follow in doing something as formal as becoming an attorney.  There are many names which Mab has been given in different folklore and literature, so I think any name she practiced under would at least be a reference to her actual identity.   

One other passing thought.  I wouldn't like to see Mab have the time to become a judge in any type of mortal court.  I picture her as a "cut the baby in half" kind of judge, only she would really mean it.
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Re: Morgan Micro Fiction
« Reply #241 on: March 02, 2020, 11:06:42 PM »
I suspect Mab has a large number of "valid" names -- names that human "officials" have given her -- that she could use to interact with mortal Law & legal issues.

She doesn't have to use her True Name for this; there's no magical bargain involved.

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« Reply #242 on: March 02, 2020, 11:12:34 PM »
The bar exams aren't really the problem. Mab was most likely admitted to practice before those were a common place thing. "Think about this, to become a lawyer, all Abraham Lincoln, our esteemed 16th president, was required by Illinois law to do was to 'obtain certificate procured from the court of an Illinois county certifying to the applicant's good moral character.'"

The problem is taking and certifying that she has taken the CLEs. Mab cannot falsely certify she has fulfilled her annual CLE requirements.

You're thinking too small, like Mab only has the resources other lawyers do.

I'm sure there's a way for people to fulfill CLE req's via some form of "tutoring" and other 1:1 interactions.

So Mab just hires a certified tutor.  She probably makes sure there's some clued-in mortals, un-Chosen or Mortal-choice faerie halfbloods, etc, who work the law and get the necessary credentials.

If time becomes an issue, they do it in a 100:1 time-distorted bit of the Nevernever.

Everyone's truthful, Mab fulfills the obligations, and every now and again some OTHER litigator has a Really Bad Day facing a stunningly-beautiful opponent in court...

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Re: Morgan Micro Fiction
« Reply #243 on: March 03, 2020, 03:25:57 AM »
I'm sure there's a way for people to fulfill CLE req's via some form of "tutoring" and other 1:1 interactions.
There aren't. Doing all the CLEs at once electronically is the only way that makes any sense. Doing however many hours in an hour. Even if that's what she does, it still seems like a waste of her time.

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« Reply #244 on: March 03, 2020, 12:55:22 PM »
There aren't. Doing all the CLEs at once electronically is the only way that makes any sense. Doing however many hours in an hour. Even if that's what she does, it still seems like a waste of her time.

  Depends on the payoff..

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Re: Morgan Micro Fiction
« Reply #245 on: March 03, 2020, 07:45:21 PM »
I guess you could bribe someone to certify a course taught by some guy, but that seems like more effort than taking 15 1 hour courses electronically all at once. There is no way that hiring a tutor is more efficient in any way.

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Re: Morgan Micro Fiction
« Reply #246 on: March 03, 2020, 08:20:00 PM »
Jim did not say where Mab got her title. She could have done in another country with different laws. I don't think my country has such specific requirements. Mab, as the other said, could have many legitimate identities, and she just needs to take the exam or exams to be licensed, which would be piece of cake for her.
Alternatively, go with the online thing. Mab logs in with her username and data and then some human lawyer do the things. Then she is certified. Pretty sure nobody is going to ask her "have you done so and so?". They would only require her to show the certicate, and she will have it.
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Re: Morgan Micro Fiction
« Reply #247 on: March 03, 2020, 10:03:13 PM »
This would require her, or the minion, to lie.

I mean, that's what I thought about her being a Lawyer in the first place, yet here we are.

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Re: Morgan Micro Fiction
« Reply #248 on: March 04, 2020, 01:34:17 AM »
Mab, as the other said, could have many legitimate identities, and she just needs to take the exam or exams to be licensed, which would be piece of cake for her.
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https://priceonomics.com/how-to-be-a-lawyer-without-going-to-law-school/. Also, it takes longer and more time throughout than going to law school.

But the point isn't about becoming a lawyer, it's about being, or maintaining status as, a lawyer.

I mean, she could be a lawyer some country that has little or no requirements for becoming and being a lawyer, but I doubt she would find that terribly useful. Then again, I don't see her being a lawyer in any American jurisdiction to terribly useful. She could represent herself in any court without being a lawyer. Additionally, representing herself would most likely be a waste of time.

We saw in Jury Duty that both Marcone and the White Court approached the justice system through illegitimate means. Marcone did jury (selection) tampering. (The White Court really should have just struck Harry with one of their peremptory strikes). The White Court did witness tampering (and controlling the prosecutor). Why spend all that time in court when you can just spend a little time going around the system?

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Re: Morgan Micro Fiction
« Reply #249 on: March 04, 2020, 04:43:56 AM »
But that is precisely what I mean, that Jim has not said that Mab is a lawyer in USA. That is why I mentioned that I don't think my country has any requirement to mantain the status. Once you got your license, you are a lawyer for ever (or at least I believe so. Dad was a lawyer and I don't remember him talking any mandatory classes)
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Re: Morgan Micro Fiction
« Reply #250 on: March 04, 2020, 06:02:51 AM »
I doubt Mab became a lawyer in Red Court territory just so she can say "I'm a lawyer." Especially since Jim says she finds it useful to be able to walk into a courtroom. This implies that she's a lawyer everywhere she has significant interests.

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Re: Morgan Micro Fiction
« Reply #251 on: March 04, 2020, 08:11:52 AM »
Apparently she finds it useful to have one or more human identities to make functioning outside the nevernever go more smoothly. Things like buying and holding real estate and influencing politicians. Owning a law firms in some countries would be useful in the same way as the white court holding the porn industry and the red court had a lot of the criminal underworld. They all pick part of the human world they have some affinity with.
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Re: Morgan Micro Fiction
« Reply #252 on: March 04, 2020, 12:26:05 PM »
But that is precisely what I mean, that Jim has not said that Mab is a lawyer in USA. That is why I mentioned that I don't think my country has any requirement to mantain the status. Once you got your license, you are a lawyer for ever (or at least I believe so. Dad was a lawyer and I don't remember him talking any mandatory classes)

My best friend's husband is a lawyer,  I think it depends on the type of law one practices.  In some areas the laws change more frequently than others.. However as far as I know he might take a week or a weekend once a year to get caught up on them, not much time when one is immortal..  As a practicing lawyer, he already knows the law, reading and understanding the fine points of a new law or change shouldn't take all that long.

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Re: Morgan Micro Fiction
« Reply #253 on: March 04, 2020, 01:38:44 PM »
I doubt Mab became a lawyer in Red Court territory just so she can say "I'm a lawyer." Especially since Jim says she finds it useful to be able to walk into a courtroom. This implies that she's a lawyer everywhere she has significant interests.

My country (which may or may be not be Red Court territory in JB world) was only an example. Perhaps Europe has another rules too. I won't be surprised if Mab has a British identity, so Shakesperean.
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Re: Morgan Micro Fiction
« Reply #254 on: March 04, 2020, 05:36:46 PM »
My country (which may or may be not be Red Court territory in JB world) was only an example. Perhaps Europe has another rules too. I won't be surprised if Mab has a British identity, so Shakesperean.

I think the main point is Mab thinks like a very good lawyer, that is why it is so dangerous to try and bargain with her.   Even if one is experienced such as Harry at it,  he only really bested her once and he would have failed at that had it not been for Uriel's seven words.   I also think if she believes some issue, person, or thing in mortal court is vital to her cause and plans she'd do what
she needed to do to make herself current and take it up herself.  Let's not forget that time lines in our world and the Nevernever are different, so what may seem like wasting time to us looking at it from our perspective may be totally different from hers.. So if it is important enough, she'd never see it as a waste of time.