Supernatural influence in culture.

[Con]

So Mab helped publish the Grimm Fairy Tales, in part because according to Thomas, the Venatori tried to make the Fae 'forgettable'.

She also may have been partially responsible for the printing press, if Thomas wry humour included the Brother Grimm and the inventer of the Printing Press in the same sentence it's plausible she had a hand in that as well.

The very nature of the Venatori is too ensure society forgets old legends, so an innovation the spreads information might not have been to their advantage. Judging by White Council policy to publish dark books like the Necronicom in order for them to be useless (from there point of view). It seems like that tactic was designed to combat the Venatores.

However the fact that we know Lara Raith had a hand in publishing Dracula by Bram Stoker, shows how adaptable she can be, as she presumably did it part for the Venatores mission to annihalite ancient evil powers.

So we have 2 or 3 instances of supernatural influence of Culture.

1. Mab- Brothers Grimm Fairy Tales.
2. Mab- Printing Press
3. Mab- Disney.
3. Lara/Venatore- Bram Stoker.

Now we also know from WoJ, that the White Council had a big hand in the Renaissance. Making sure geniuses got proper education and positions of influence. I assume they made sure the old myths that inspired the Renaissance Menn were spread as well.

So thats 4.

4. White Council-Renaissance.

Kemmler- World War 1. Society of Thule which was a real cult, and an enemy of the White Council as we know from Luccios short story.

5. Kemmler- World War 1.
6. Kemmler- Thule Society.


7. Merlin- King Arthur.

As of Paranet Papers, we know of Simon Pietrovichs relationship with the Tsars of Russia.

8.Simon Pietrovich- Russian Revolution.

9. George Washing ton- Knight of the Cross

Now my question is what other influences on culture/history supernatural forces have had?

Personally I think there was something going on in the French Revolution/Napoleon Wars. Also I wonder if Kringle has a hand in Coca Cola.

Thoughts?

[g33k]

We don't know what-all it's responsible for (I think Jim may have a mental list), but WoJ says that:

Amoracchius is not one of those Swords that really rampages around the world very often, and when if does, you’ve heard about it, so…

So we presume that there have been some notable effects there, but can't necessarily pin them down (besides the Arthur connection, presuming Amoracchius = Excalibur).

[Con]

Amorrachius is Excalibur. Woj confirms its the only sword not reforged

[Bad Alias]

Harry thinks the White Court has been influencing societies sexual mores, and we know they have a lock on the porn industry.

Reading this thread I thought "well Jesus has had a big influence in many cultures." So that probably goes for all religion in the Dresden Files. We may want to limit the discussion to a certain time period because otherwise we are probably casting to broad a net.

[g33k]

  Harry thinks the White Court has been influencing societies sexual mores, and we know they have a lock on the porn industry.

Oh, egads how true!  Some of the porn-influenced stuff the teens (& even 20something's) seem to treat as "normal" look to me... well.

The urge to yell at them to GetOffaMyLawn is strong!

Yeah, I can see the "cultural influence."  Thing is, I'm unconvinced there's any more "lust" going on than there was previously.  That stuff is pretty ubiquitous!

I think the 60s/70s "free love" movement, CSN "Love the One You're With," etc ... THAT may have been increasing the net "lust" available to the Whamps.  Maybe?

[morriswalters]

Having listened to Stephen Fry's Victorian Secret's I'm pretty sure the Whites were in Victorian England. Very eye opening.

[Mira]

Having listened to Stephen Fry's Victorian Secret's I'm pretty sure the Whites were in Victorian England. Very eye opening.

Not really, the Victorians weren't as prim and proper when it comes to sex as some think give all the
layers of clothes that "respectable women" wore...  So it just makes sense.

[Bad Alias]

@g33k: It's not really a more/less lust thing. It's a how people react and what they think is acceptable sexual practices.

[g33k]

@g33k: It's not really a more/less lust thing. It's a how people react and what they think is acceptable sexual practices.

Yeah, that's my point.  I think the porn industry has (at least somewhat) changed what's acceptable.   But I don't think it has increased the "amount" of lust.

And we've seen that the whamps (at least the Raiths) like a fair bit of ambient lust floating around.

So I am less clear that I "believe in" this bit of the Dresdenverse.  It doesn't quite match my view of how's the culture has reacted.  Or maybe I'm just mis-reading things.