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Offline sonwarrior

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Is the Merlin a Mantle?
« on: May 08, 2019, 07:03:10 PM »
Just a quick question/WAG. Do we know if the Merlin, as the head of the white council, is merely a title or also a mantle? Is there a WOJ that speaks either definitely for or against this idea? I

 I think there could be some fun story telling that would go along with this if it were true.
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Re: Is the Merlin a Mantle?
« Reply #1 on: May 08, 2019, 07:32:21 PM »
I believe it's a title rather than a mantle. There's no evidence to suggest that being labeled the Merlin provides any kind of power boost. Plus they're elected, not selected, which is kinda not how we've shown Mantles to really work.
On the flip side, in order to be chosen to be the Merlin, you're probably already the most capable wizard alive at the time, so I don't think a mantle would even be necessary.
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Re: Is the Merlin a Mantle?
« Reply #2 on: May 08, 2019, 07:37:14 PM »
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Re: Is the Merlin a Mantle?
« Reply #3 on: May 09, 2019, 12:34:17 AM »
Quote from: sonwarrior on May 08, 2019, 07:03:10 PM
Just a quick question/WAG. Do we know if the Merlin, as the head of the white council, is merely a title or also a mantle? Is there a WOJ that speaks either definitely for or against this idea? I

 I think there could be some fun story telling that would go along with this if it were true.

Yeah Jim has talked about it. 

Paraphrasing:  Langtry is the Merlin because he controls the purse strings (money) for the Council, and the wardens.  Also you become Merlin by being the most powerful wizard.

So no I don't think being the Merlin is a Mantle, but a title.  Langtry might not be the most powerful wizard, but he's the most powerful one that wants to lead the Council.
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Re: Is the Merlin a Mantle?
« Reply #4 on: June 17, 2019, 09:07:57 PM »
No.  It is not a mantle. 
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Re: Is the Merlin a Mantle?
« Reply #5 on: June 17, 2019, 11:26:40 PM »
Quote from: SerScot on June 17, 2019, 09:07:57 PM
No.  It is not a mantle.

Yes and no...  Does the one who holds it gain any physical powers?  No..  It isn't like becoming the Winter Knight or Lady...  However the one who holds it gains great political power, which gives him some power over those who do hold a mantle... One could say, being Blackstaff is a holder of a mantle from what we've seen of it in action...  Holy Knights are kind of mixed, in of themselves they do not have special powers, but the Holy Swords do, which conveys a mantle of power of sorts to the wielder of the Sword.
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Re: Is the Merlin a Mantle?
« Reply #6 on: June 18, 2019, 10:17:43 AM »
Only in the realm of political power and capabilities.  Like being President of the USA and so being the commander in chief of the Armed Forces. 
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Re: Is the Merlin a Mantle?
« Reply #7 on: June 18, 2019, 04:22:32 PM »
Identity shouldn’t be considered a “magical mantle”.  If so there is a “Karrin Murphy Mantle”.  People are using “mantle” as a shorthand for “identity”.  They shouldn’t be the same thing.
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Re: Is the Merlin a Mantle?
« Reply #8 on: June 18, 2019, 04:35:28 PM »
Quote from: SerScot on June 18, 2019, 04:22:32 PM
Identity shouldn’t be considered a “magical mantle”.  If so there is a “Karrin Murphy Mantle”.  People are using “mantle” as a shorthand for “identity”.  They shouldn’t be the same thing.
I think the OP was actually asking about power, knowledge, constraints, etc; stuff that comes with a Mantle.  They were asking if the title of "Merlin" included a mantle that brings some metaphysics with it?  Or is it just the title/office, with what that brings?

But maybe I'm wrong.  I hope the OP clarifies, if I've misrepresented them!
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