Page please, book, please....
Are you incapable of reading? Because I specifically said that I
don't have the books with me--they're in storage.
Did anyone tell him if he wipes out the Red Court the Fomor would move in before hand?
Not specifically. But he was told that
something really bad was likely to happen.
That was an unintentional consequence, not what he planned.. Harry did not have an agenda to destabilize the supernatural world..
If I shoot a gun through my apartment wall and kill someone, I may not have had an agenda to kill them, but I am still legally liable for murder/manslaughter because I have acted in a way that shows incredible recklessness and disregard for human life.
He never pre-planned to reverse the bloodline spell, the spell was set up by the Red King in the first place. He is the one who didn't care or was so arrogant he didn't think it possible that Harry or anyone else could reverse it, and that he and all the RCVs could die as a consequence.
The fact that the Red King was arrogant/didn't care does not actually absolve Harry of all consequences of his actions.
Sure, Harry could have just surrendered and let his daughter, himself, and his grandfather die..
You know, I actually responded to you saying essentially the same thing back on page one. Here is my response:
I don't think there was a better way at all, but that doesn't change the fact that it was horrible.
Perhaps the natural balance between vamps and humans wouldn't have been destabilized, but then again what would have been the consequences if Eb's bloodline had been wiped out? A bloodline that includes a starborn..
And Harry knew none of this, so it has no relevance. If I shoot a gun through my apartment wall and end up hitting someone who's trying to rape my next door neighbor, that doesn't absolve me of my recklessness or my disregard for human life, because I didn't know that it was going to happen.
Context please, what the author is saying, not you.. That is why if you are going to use quotes you need to sight chapter and verse that goes along with them, otherwise things can be twisted...
First: Spelling. It's "cite," not "sight."
Second: You are free to post the text surrounding my quotes if you feel it is important. I would do it, but as I've said, I can't. If you don't cite it (or provide reasons why you can't), then I will consider your argument regarding citations invalid and assume you're bringing it up to cast unfounded doubts on my argument because you can't think of anything better.
Third: Yes, please cite what we know of starborn, and what evidence you have that losing
one particular starborn would be so disastrous.
The difference isn't that Nic didn't care about what the plague would do, it is he planned to do, if it worked it would do what he intended for it to do, it was part of his agenda.. Getting the artifacts is on his agenda, killing his daughter is a step towards that...
This makes no sense. It's Harry that didn't care about the consequences of his actions, not Nicodemus. The difference between Nicodemus and Harry is the difference between first degree murder and 2nd/3rd degree murder (I'll look up legal codes when I'm not in class).
Edit: I looked it up. What Harry is guilty of is the equivalent of somewhere between second degree murder and voluntary manslaughter (it turns out that 3rd degree murder only exists in a few states).
Wikipedia:
Second-degree murder: any intentional murder with malice aforethought, but is not premeditated or planned in advance.
Voluntary manslaughter: sometimes called a crime of passion murder, is any intentional killing that involves no prior intent to kill, and which was committed under such circumstances that would "cause a reasonable person to become emotionally or mentally disturbed". Both this and second-degree murder are committed on the spot under a spur-of-the-moment choice, but the two differ in the magnitude of the circumstances surrounding the crime. For example, a bar fight that results in death would ordinarily constitute second-degree murder. If that same bar fight stemmed from a discovery of infidelity, however, it may be mitigated to voluntary manslaughter.
I'm not sure which it is: I would consider "malice aforethought" to be Harry's "let the world burn" thing, but he was already emotionally disturbed at the time, so I'm not sure how that would play out legally.
(Also, to be clear, I'm talking about the genocide thing, not Harry's murder of Susan specifically.)