Could Mavra be under Eb's control?

[WereElephant]

Perhaps his mother in law LoL

Oh, good grief. Dresden would LOVE that new relation.

[groinkick]

Oh, good grief. Dresden would LOVE that new relation.

And that's why it would be so epic!

[KurtinStGeorge]

WOJ was that Mavra is from the late 1400's or so, therefore predating Eb's birth by quite a bit. She might be one of the first few blamps turned by Dracula.

Do we know this for a fact?  Harry noticed that the fabric of her medieval outfit was cotton rather than wool, meaning it was of modern manufacture.  Maybe Mavra is old, but no so old as she pretends.  Mavra would pretend to be a few hundred years older than her actual age in order to make herself a more mysterious figure, enhance her reputation and make other magic users think twice about taking her on in a fight.  The Black Court's greatest strength before Stoker's book was lack of knowledge about them.  Mavra might have decided this was a good personal defence too.

However, that's just a WAG, and not a very serious one.  There's something really pathetic about Mavra sticking with medieval clothing; which in every painting, period movie or museum manikin I've seen in such outfits, doesn't look very comfortable.  Mostly it looks like it was designed to keep people warm, which isn't really a problem Mavra faces.  It's like she's trying to hold onto a tiny piece of who she once was.         

[jonas]

Perhaps she has relations to someone else like Mab.

I'm Wagging She's actually Morgana Le fay herself, just changed by an unfortunate incident with the Blamps. Because of how Blamps appear to be though, I think her transformation separated her from Nemesis proper,(whom is equated on some level to the Greek deity) though her past self still holds the same connections/mirroring's.... Think Nemesis is Mother level and Morgana was ousted from say, queen level.

[Quantus]

Do we know this for a fact? 

Yup, per WOJ: "I think she's about 600."

[WereElephant]

Harry noticed that the fabric of her medieval outfit was cotton rather than wool, meaning it was of modern manufacture.     

I would be very surprised if her original clothing survived 600 years of Blamping. Most likely replacement clothing.

There's something really pathetic about Mavra sticking with medieval clothing; which in every painting, period movie or museum manikin I've seen in such outfits, doesn't look very comfortable.

I don't know about that. The Queens of the Faerie Courts maintain a much more Medieval fashion sense (Maeve being the exception), and I assume they could procure whatever form of dress they desire. Mab only went modern businesswoman in Skin Game to avoid attracting attention. Why deviate from what you know/like?

As for comfort, I can't speak for women's clothing, but the men's clothing I've worn at SCA events hasn't been uncomfortable.

[Mr. Death]

Comfort is a worry for those of us with working nerves and muscle tissue. I don't think Mavra much cares whether her outfit chafes.

[BlahBlah]

Yes, Mab is almost certainly under Eb's control.

And good job, discovering one of JB's clues.  Although, it's not the biggest one.

[SerScot]

When Harry was badly burned Mavra made her escape....  We never really know what Eb was doing at the time.  Locking down her magic somehow...  Here is the thing.  Does anyone else find it odd that Blackstaff Mccoy, a very powerful wizard who was Captain of the Wardens, and who's living is to hunt down dangerous, and powerful things that would target the White Council would not have found her when she was making her leave from the scene? 

I'm wondering if at that time he did find her, and as the Blackstaff used Necromancy to control her.  At a later date Eb used her to get the Book of Kemmler, something that sounds like it would fall under the Blackstaff's duty to get a hold of.

What say you?

I have wondered if Eb was Black Council/Circle for some time.  Maggy Sr. Had to learn her rebelliousness from somewhere.  More circumstantial evidence in tjat direction.

[groinkick]

I have wondered if Eb was Black Council/Circle for some time.  Maggy Sr. Had to learn her rebelliousness from somewhere.  More circumstantial evidence in tjat direction.

I mean it's possible but I think Eb explained her rebelliousness by him pushing her too hard.  That's understandable, and happens a lot when parents push their children too much.

[SerScot]

I mean it's possible but I think Eb explained her rebelliousness by him pushing her too hard.  That's understandable, and happens a lot when parents push their children too much.

Or, Maggie Sr. Really is a chip off the old block.

[groinkick]

Or, Maggie Sr. Really is a chip off the old block.

LoL..  Really think Eb is dark side eh?

[Kindler]

Personally, I think Margaret found out about the Blackstaff position, and that's what soured her on the White Council.

[Fcrate]

Nah, that'd fit fine with her beliefs, as Luccio put them in Turncoat. Grey areas of magic, White Council directly acting, instead of reacting and being passive.

[Mr. Death]

I really don't get the assertion that Maggie "picked up" being a rebel from Ebenezer, especially since he's the person she was rebelling against. Children, when they rebel, don't rebel in a way that makes them aligned with exactly how the person they're rebelling against acts.

Plus? Again, no evidence that Ebenezer is darkside, or shared any of the traits that Maggie is said to have when she was rebelling against him.

The whole rebellion that we know about is based around Maggie and Ebenezer loudly and violently disagreeing on exactly the issues y'all are saying that Maggie and Ebenezer were supposedly on the same side of.

This whole line of thinking just plain makes no sense to me.