Which Denarian Coin would you choose?

[WereElephant]

(A) Deirdre managed to coexist with her coin for over a thousand years, and retained her mind and sense of self that entire time.  Her faults weren't from the coin, but from Nico's influence.

(B) If her demon is that willing to work with a host, then you've got immortality + armor only vulnerable to SotC  + possibly hellfire + possibly tensile weapons + whatever you bring to the table magically.

(A) But that coexistence happened because both host and Fallen were compatible. I'd like to think I wouldn't be as nuts as Deirde, making me incompatible with said Coin.

(B) Immortality seems to be a standard side effect of all Coins. Quintus Cassius really showed his age once Saluriel was taken from him, and considering the ages of Nic and Tessa, among others, the trait seems ubiquitous. Ditto Hellfire. If you're a magic user, then you'd have that with any Coin that doesn't steamroll you into a husk. The armor and tensile weapons are unique to her, but I'd be more interested in learning magic.

[peregrine]

Wherein I'm not a horrible person, none.  The only way that we've seen so far to not get puppet mastered by the coins is to work with them, and I'm going to go out on a limb and say that I don't want to work with a demon who wants to do demon things.

[Griffyn612]

(A) But that coexistence happened because both host and Fallen were compatible. I'd like to think I wouldn't be as nuts as Deirde, making me incompatible with said Coin.

(B) Immortality seems to be a standard side effect of all Coins. Quintus Cassius really showed his age once Saluriel was taken from him, and considering the ages of Nic and Tessa, among others, the trait seems ubiquitous. Ditto Hellfire. If you're a magic user, then you'd have that with any Coin that doesn't steamroll you into a husk. The armor and tensile weapons are unique to her, but I'd be more interested in learning magic.

(A) Unlike others, I'm assuming I'm going to be a bad guy when taking up a coin.  I'm going to do despicable things, to some degree or another.  But I'd bargain the shared agenda.  For every big evil plot, I get to met out some Griff-style justice to those I deem deserving.  Which would presumably add to the fearful chaos that Denarians draw power from.

(B) Immortality, yes.  It's just one of the benefits in general, along with hellfire.  But I'm not presuming that the other Denarians can bestow magical ability when it doesn't pre-exist.  I figure Namshiel prefers hosts with magical ability.  So (potentially wrongfully) assuming that, then we already have some magical ability. That means I don't *need* the Denarians to teach me; I just need to learn how.  Or I work with one of the Denarians that *can* teach magic.  Just talk to Namshiel's host, and in return for some pointers, I'll help him raid a village or something.

[groinkick]

Deirdre's coin is tempting.  Depends on if the only special part is hair, though.  If it could manifest malleable back ribbons like Mister Sinister, and claws like Wolverine, and could still tap hellfire for a magic user (I'm assuming I'd be one) to use cast hand and eye beams of fire, and enhance some kinetic abilities, you could make a serious X-Men crossbreed with that coin.

That is pretty awesome.

Could you imagine Listen to Wind's shape shifting powers combined with the Coin of the shape shifting Denarian?  That would be a pretty scary duo.

[Lost Merlin]

Could you imagine Listen to Wind's shape shifting powers combined with the Coin of the shape shifting Denarian?  That would be a pretty scary duo.

I don't think that Denarians shape shift other then their battle forms.  My guess is they would be better classified as Were-Angels.  They have one form that they can shift in to and that is it.  Sure they can teach you a ton about shapeshifting, but if you were using their battle mode you might not be able to shift at all.  Also, Were-Angels. 

[groinkick]

I don't think that Denarians shape shift other then their battle forms.  My guess is they would be better classified as Were-Angels.  They have one form that they can shift in to and that is it.  Sure they can teach you a ton about shapeshifting, but if you were using their battle mode you might not be able to shift at all.  Also, Were-Angels.

Well the one shape shifts into some huge bear mutant thing.  LtW could probably amplify the size and abilities with his own shape shifting abilities.

[Kindler]

Well the one shape shifts into some huge bear mutant thing.  LtW could probably amplify the size and abilities with his own shape shifting abilities.

Instead of a bear-thing with six legs, LTW could become a bear-thing with SEVEN LEGS!

Hmm. What would Dresden call it? A septopooh?

[groinkick]

Instead of a bear-thing with six legs, LTW could become a bear-thing with SEVEN LEGS!

Hmm. What would Dresden call it? A septopooh?

Well it could also go the opposite way.  Instead of LtW amplifying the bear mutant's powers it could be that LtW's shape shifting creatures take on horrifying mutations.

[Kindler]

Well yeah, if you want it to be awesome, sure. Introducing manticores improves most fiction.

[groinkick]

I don't know if it's possible but a vampire/Coin hybrid could be pretty awesome.  Red Court or Black Court sporting Deirdre's Coin.

[WereElephant]

(A) Unlike others, I'm assuming I'm going to be a bad guy when taking up a coin.  I'm going to do despicable things, to some degree or another.  But I'd bargain the shared agenda.  For every big evil plot, I get to met out some Griff-style justice to those I deem deserving.  Which would presumably add to the fearful chaos that Denarians draw power from.

(B) Immortality, yes.  It's just one of the benefits in general, along with hellfire.  But I'm not presuming that the other Denarians can bestow magical ability when it doesn't pre-exist.  I figure Namshiel prefers hosts with magical ability.  So (potentially wrongfully) assuming that, then we already have some magical ability. That means I don't *need* the Denarians to teach me; I just need to learn how.  Or I work with one of the Denarians that *can* teach magic.  Just talk to Namshiel's host, and in return for some pointers, I'll help him raid a village or something.

(A) Fair. That's a different approach than I took.

(B) From what I recall, anyone can use magic in the Dresdenverse, it's just a matter of capacity. Vanilla mortals don't have enough capacity to do anything like a spell, but they can raise circles. Uncertain if angels/fallen could bestow an increase in magical capacity or not, or even if they would to. Interesting thought, though.

[WereElephant]

I don't know if it's possible but a vampire/Coin hybrid could be pretty awesome.  Red Court or Black Court sporting Deirdre's Coin.

White Court I could definitely see.

Red Court...unknown. Half-turned reds like the Fellowship, Susan, and Martin, I bet could do it.

Black Court, I'm guessing not, though that's pure speculation based on them being dead, and thereby not suitable as vessels with living Wills.

Jade Court - no idea.

[Griffyn612]

(A) Fair. That's a different approach than I took.

(B) From what I recall, anyone can use magic in the Dresdenverse, it's just a matter of capacity. Vanilla mortals don't have enough capacity to do anything like a spell, but they can raise circles. Uncertain if angels/fallen could bestow an increase in magical capacity or not, or even if they would to. Interesting thought, though.

(B) Soulfire seems to affect all of Harry's magic.  Likewise, hellfire should affect all magic, albeit destructively.  So a water-caster capable of shapeshifting should be able to use it to transform into other shapes, but perhaps slightly twisted, like groinkick is proposing.  And with Deirdre's coin, it'd be a steel monster form.

[Snark Knight]

really we don't have much information about the fallen to make a decision.  The only one we have interacted with much is Lash, who isn't even a fallen.  We can make some assumptions about the fallen, but maybe Deirdre's Fallen was cooperative because of who the host was and that usually she just overtakes her host.

I doubt Nic would have chosen a coin for his daughter whose Fallen was categorically unwilling to treat their bearer as a partner and insisted on outright domination.

[Snark Knight]

White Court I could definitely see.
Red Court...unknown. Half-turned reds like the Fellowship, Susan, and Martin, I bet could do it.
Black Court, I'm guessing not, though that's pure speculation based on them being dead, and thereby not suitable as vessels with living Wills.

Part of the point for the Fallen is to corrupt a mortal soul. So I agree the Black Court are right out.

Half-ramps and wamps are probably also candidates, although I'd guess the Fallen could probably purge the demonic presence if the bearer chose the Fallen over the other influence and the Fallen didn't want to share its proverbial Dixie cup.

Full ramps seem like a grey area. We're not really sure whether the soul entirely leaves the building when they turn (Susan remaining willing to be sacrificed suggests it's not instant). I'd gather the Fallen could probably bond with one in a pinch, but given how far they've already corrupted themselves, a rampire is probably less of a notch in their hellish bests to corrupt than a mortal human.