Future Darkhallow

[huangjimmy108]

When was the last time their was a winter knight who was also a wizard? has their ever been one? I think that my be a difference about why the Mantle hasn't changed Harry much.  Also you could argue that since he isn't using it as much it isn't affecting him nearly as much either.

I am certain that during the 1000 years of Mab's reign as winter Queen, there have never been a wizard knight before. Bob would have known about such a thing if it happened during the last 1000 years. Before Mab's reign though, that is quite another story.

Having a knight who is also a wizard is kind of adventurous. With soulfire, Uriel and freaking Ancient demonreach in the picture, I am convinced this is uncharted territory even for the Queen of Air and darkness.

If we see it that way, Mab's cautious attitude in the way she handle Harry completely via coercion is quite understandable. Harry is a powerful and dangerous weapon in her hands, but powerful and dangerous weapon tends to backlash on to it's wielder if the wielder is not adept enough.

[kazimmoinuddin]

There seems to be a lot of strange co incidences. Harry is a wizard and winter knight. The winter court mans the outer gates, Harry as a star born has power over outsiders.

There is also the Blackstaff. A foci that allows a wizard to break the seven laws, which includes the one concerning outsiders. A foci believed to be the walking stick of mother winter, seeing as the winter knight mantle is a portion of the Queen power.

Demonreach a prison built to hold immortals and gods, the only place strong enough to potentially hold outsiders themselves. Some of the descriptions of inmates do seem similar to the description of outsiders. A source of dark energy, which the Blackstaff is tailor made to accept.

[groinkick]

There seems to be a lot of strange co incidences. Harry is a wizard and winter knight. The winter court mans the outer gates, Harry as a star born has power over outsiders.

There is also the Blackstaff. A foci that allows a wizard to break the seven laws, which includes the one concerning outsiders. A foci believed to be the walking stick of mother winter, seeing as the winter knight mantle is a portion of the Queen power.

Demonreach a prison built to hold immortals and gods, the only place strong enough to potentially hold outsiders themselves. Some of the descriptions of inmates do seem similar to the description of outsiders. A source of dark energy, which the Blackstaff is tailor made to accept.

The Winter Court is in charge of protecting reality from the Outsiders, and Harry as it appears was fated, as a mortal, to take up that same responsibility...

[huangjimmy108]

The Winter Court is in charge of protecting reality from the Outsiders, and Harry as it appears was fated, as a mortal, to take up that same responsibility...

"Fated" seem to be too strong a word. "Potential" is more apt to describe the situation.

Harry is an exceptional talent, but he is not yet fulfill his true potential. He is a resource worth cultivating. A good seedling. Many parties wanted to recruit him. Lara, Nicodemous, Uriel, and maybe even HWWB wanted Harry on their side. In the end, Mab is the one who get him.

In this regard, the White council, at least Langtry's faction of the council,  is the idiots. The council fail to appreciate talent.

[khadgar4606]

as for fea knight wizard in the past i bet original merlin is similar to harry worked as knight both as keeper of Excalibur and may be as winter or summer knight during the Arthur's reign thus harry might be tracking Merlin's steps in current time hell harry might be reincarnation of the Merlin it self with amnesia to keep himself from danger.

[Sully]

Could also be that she changed the Mantle itself instead of just restoring the factory settings. Maybe she wanted Harry to be a different kind of Knight than what she'd had in the past, and tweaked some of the subroutines. Everyone keeps remarking that All Winter Knights Are X-Y-Z, and Harry's persisted for a couple of years now without become a full-time psycho. Something's either different about Harry, or something's different about the Mantle, and that Stone Table transfer makes me suspicious.

A couple of years isn't all that long, though.  Especially when he was on life support for a big chunk of it.

[Quantus]

A couple of years isn't all that long, though.  Especially when he was on life support for a big chunk of it.

Harry did come pretty close to becoming that sort of psycho in CD; but as he put it, He Chose to be different than that, and he intends to continue making that Choice.  It strikes me as more like he is instantly a recovering addict and will have to continue to fight this pull for the rest of his tenure.

[wardenferry419]

That and he has many years of experience repressing sexual urges. Like pretty much the entire series.

[groinkick]

Could a Darkhallow be pulled off in the NeverNever?

[kazimmoinuddin]

I have a strange idea, could this ritual be used as a weapon/trap? Some one forced or tricked into taking in the energy, just so it can be used against them.

[groinkick]

I have a strange idea, could this ritual be used as a weapon/trap? Some one forced or tricked into taking in the energy, just so it can be used against them.

I think so...  If you wanted them to turn dark side, or a bad guy to become good (if they swallowed up a bunch of good power).

[Quantus]

I think so...  If you wanted them to turn dark side, or a bad guy to become good (if they swallowed up a bunch of good power).

Im not sure there actually /is/ any straight "Good" Power, at least not in the sense of a Power that would Push you towards Goodness the way Dark & Violent powers push you toward a fall; Hell, literal Angels can go bad.  I think that sort of think is supposed to go in one direction only. 

Which makes sense since one of the WOJ definitions of "Good" in the DV is specifically that the Good Side respects Free Will, so by the nature of DV Goodness it would not Push you the way Evil does, since Evil doesnt respect your Right to Choose. 

[Kindler]

Maybe you can trick someone into swallowing more power than they could handle, with the sheer amount of energy ripping them apart from the inside out.

Still a hell of a lot of people would have to die to pull it off. I'd rather just shoot them. (Assuming that would work.)

[Lost Merlin]

I have a strange idea, could this ritual be used as a weapon/trap? Some one forced or tricked into taking in the energy, just so it can be used against them.

One way that you could apply this is that you could have them absorb power that stuck them with a purpose thus taking away their free will or ability to act without consequences.  Think if you had Nic absorb the power of the summer lady, then he would beholden to fae laws and be limited in how he applied his powers. 

[toodeep]

Reading this has made me wonder more about the evil (necromantic?) ley line coming out of Demonreach.  Have we had a good description of the type of line it is?  Is it necromantic?  We know it is essentially the "body heat" or evil residue being put of by the prisoners.  It seems to be a source of power that Harry could feast on ala "darkhallow" without actually killing anything, and hopefully without any sentience behind it to drive him crazy.  But if that were possible than one would think that people would be comsuming the power from all kinds of ley lines to become more powerful, and we don't see that happening.  Still, we know he was admonished by the Gatekeeper not to touch that power _yet_ so it will probably play a big role at some point...

Also, I think the roleplaying game paranet files expansion implies that Rasputin became the winter knight for a while.  He wasn't a full fledge wizard, but a specialist like an ectomancer, only instead specializing in biomancy or something of that ilk.  (I'm going off of memory here)  It is implied that with the power of the mantle he might have managed to regenerate himself from being shot in the head.  Not a full white council wizard becoming a winter knight, but something close...