Just a guess about Peace Talks

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It is my understanding that Ivy is a member of the Accords in her own right. She is often used as an Arbiter because she is neutral, but I do not think she is actually a full time Arbiter. She could be present as just another Accords member and someone else may serve as an Arbiter if one is needed.

This is true.  She's an Independent signatory just like Marcone, Drakul or Ferro.  In DM, Bob said that "The vampires and the Council will pick from a list of neutral emissaries" which is how she was chosen (and it was just Harry's choice in SmF) so we can assume she's on that list, but I think we can also likely assume that there are Independent Signatories that are more politically active and so not considered Neutral parties. 

[Talby16]

This is true.  She's an Independent signatory just like Marcone, Drakul or Ferro.  In DM, Bob said that "The vampires and the Council will pick from a list of neutral emissaries" which is how she was chosen (and it was just Harry's choice in SmF) so we can assume she's on that list, but I think we can also likely assume that there are Independent Signatories that are more politically active and so not considered Neutral parties.

I see Ivy as being present at the arbitration as a party and not the arbiter given that she was attacked by another accords member fairly recently.

[wardenferry419]

Not everybody appreciates Mac's beer. The monstrous heathens.

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I see Ivy as being present at the arbitration as a party and not the arbiter given that she was attacked by another accords member fairly recently.

Oh, Agreed.  I think she has been active enough lately to be willing to take part in the talks, even if the Fomor werent likely making themselves the Enemy of the Oblivion War. 

I also think she'd want to come to see Harry alive.  And Im curious to see how Kincaid looks after Ivy was done with him.   

[Kindler]

Not everybody appreciates Mac's beer. The monstrous heathens.

It's how you know they're bad guys.

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It's how you know they're bad guys.

Because they dont like Mac's beer.  What more evidence do you need of their warped inhumanity?

[KurtinStGeorge]

It's how you know they're bad guys.

And yet Duke Ortega did like Mac's Beer, even though he only needed blood to survive.

[Ulfgeir]

It is my understanding that Ivy is a member of the Accords in her own right. She is often used as an Arbiter because she is neutral, but I do not think she is actually a full time Arbiter. She could be present as just another Accords member and someone else may serve as an Arbiter if one is needed.

Whoever is the arbiter would need to have enough Power to be able to actually do something about anything that neccesitates involvement.

/Ulfgeir

[Kindler]

And yet Duke Ortega did like Mac's Beer, even though he only needed blood to survive.

Ortega was only pretending to like it. He was a sneaky little bee.

[Talby16]

Whoever is the arbiter would need to have enough Power to be able to actually do something about anything that neccesitates involvement.

/Ulfgeir

Yes and no. I would argue that respect of the involved parties is most important. The accords were set up by Mab and thus she has a big investment in seeing them remain intact and accepted. If the arbiter reaches a decision or endorses a certain action/view point then she would lend her power to the fulfillment of that outcome.

[groinkick]

Whoever is the arbiter would need to have enough Power to be able to actually do something about anything that neccesitates involvement.

/Ulfgeir

Or be backed by a party, or parties.  A promise, or contract has magical power in the DV.  If the parties involved agreed that a neutral party would be respected as arbiter it would be a bond, one that if broken could come back on the offenders pretty badly.

[Talby16]

Or be backed by a party, or parties.  A promise, or contract has magical power in the DV.  If the parties involved agreed that a neutral party would be respected as arbiter it would be a bond, one that if broken could come back on the offenders pretty badly.

Exactly. Well said.

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Or be backed by a party, or parties.  A promise, or contract has magical power in the DV.  If the parties involved agreed that a neutral party would be respected as arbiter it would be a bond, one that if broken could come back on the offenders pretty badly.

Indeed. Case in point: Nic and the events of Skin Game. 

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One does not simply violate the Unseelie Accords

[Talby16]

Pretty sure if all the parties at the Peace Talks agreed to an Arbiter and then one of the parties crossed that arbiter, every other party would come down on them like a load of bricks. Now that I write that, I kind of want to see it.

Reminds me of the scene in the Eragon series where the Dwarf council punishes one of its members by ignoring him completely no matter what he does. Seeing that dwarf try to get everyones attention and growing more and more frustrated/frantic was extremely gratifying.

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Pretty sure if all the parties at the Peace Talks agreed to an Arbiter and then one of the parties crossed that arbiter, every other party would come down on them like a load of bricks. Now that I write that, I kind of want to see it.

Reminds me of the scene in the Eragon series where the Dwarf council punishes one of its members by ignoring him completely no matter what he does. Seeing that dwarf try to get everyones attention and growing more and more frustrated/frantic was extremely gratifying.

I think this is more or less the Role Marcone is playing; not actual Arbiter (with the sort of absolute authority they get) because this is a political Discussion and not a Duel, but he /is/ the Host specifically because he has a reputation for Neutrality in the Supernatural world.