Harry's paralysis long term foreshadowing?

[kris.vickers]

I have been re-listening to the books out of order, and I realized that the twist in Changes (Harry breaking his back), may have had a seed planted many books ago. I cannot remember which book, Harry was talking about how Titania could be looking out for Harry's interests by leaving him paralyzed in a hospital to save him from death somewhere else. Also, I believe the same book, he was talking to Fix and a similar line of conversation came up. Something like 'ending up paralyzed not feeling anything below the waist.' This specific of a topic and regarding a Queen of Fae seems very purposeful. Anyone catch this before, and if so, thoughts?

[raidem]

I'm beginning to think that there are some players doing things for Harry's good that Harry might not think so at that moment. 

Jim has admitted to seeing new things 3 books in advance. So, it would be in line with that WOJ.

[wardenferry419]

Welcome to the forums. I think the reference might be from Small Favor.

[kris.vickers]

Thanks for the welcome. And yes, Small Favor sounds right. and on a separate note, when Jim has stated that Mirror Mirror is 1 choice different, has that been clarified as to when? Because I think the choice to rebel against Justin would be a great one. A brand new Dresden right from the start

[raidem]

The immediate one he is referring to from Mirror Mirror is as happening near the end of Grave Peril.  It likely aligns with telling Susan "I Love You" or not when she is in vampire form. I further speculated that Harry in -Grave Peril will eat his own ghost.

[kris.vickers]

I do need to re-read that one if that will be the split point. Although seems to me there are more life changing-ier decisions that he could've picked, though(his characters, not my business.) love is a great one. I fall back to the Buffy episode where Buffy never comes to sunnydale, also the Doctor Who episode where donna makes the wrong turn. Anyone have any HUGE moments that without Harry there; or Harry making an evil choice would have massive implications?

[raidem]

Because I think the choice to rebel against Justin would be a great one. A brand new Dresden right from the start

I'm beginning to believe that my theory of many cycles may apply.  We will get to see many different pivot points in the series and that there at some point will be a new beginning.  I like to think though that the Dresden Files we are reading is the resultant equation after a great time war in the background. 

Another way to view it would be that there are many different parallel bubbles/realities that are 'mixing'/bouncing into each other.  And, we will soon get to find out the 'correct bubbles' that define the path of events we are reading.

[kris.vickers]

Another way to view it would be that there are many different parallel bubbles/realities that are 'mixing'/bouncing into each other.  And, we will soon get to find out the 'correct bubbles' that define the path of events we are reading

Good point, and to follow on that. A great way to make sure Harry(himself) and anyone else knows what the right bubbles are or were would be to write down what actually happened, which could be what we've been reading the entire time. A Harry that is trying to get it all down for posterity. So possibly we've been reading the aftermath of the BAT from Harry's pov, who could be lost in the flow of time somewhen, and whose only connection is Ivy who is making sure that communication is being transcribed.

[raidem]

Did that throw you for a loop?

I guess not.  Ooh, you are really REALLY good at this.  (I've seen the Edit following the quote.)
Now go read The Chronicles of Amber

[kris.vickers]

Dang, that just made my day. Thank you.
From who knows when I've loved complicated plotlines. and then when I started in on Dresden Files and his youtube interviews, I saw that he had a complicated plotline. With a BAT plotted since his 20s, he knows how its gonna end. With that assumed, I try to work backward. Same as what I'm doing with the Marvel MCU. Harry has to be at a certain level before each books starts. Therefore each book has to bring him to that level for the next one. I would love to see end of Storm Front Harry think about what to do about the problems at the beginning of Skin Game. But my thoughts are simply this: What level is Harry after the BAT? Because that is probably who's writing. The details he gives about things are so clear because he is seeing these 'bubbles' right then, even though time usually fades these details for everyone.

[raidem]

Let's take one of these Harry's to Demonreach, imagine if Harry finds himself as an inmate in Demonreach.  He talks with his prior self, and tells him to piss off. And of course, our Harry wants to piss on him as a joke

The prisoner Harry at some point needs to exchange positions with our Harry, with our Harry going along the course of events that Prisoner Harry went through. This would add another goal in Cold Days. To either jail brake a not ready PrisonerHarry, or kill the PrisonerHarry with the banefire.

[kris.vickers]

I like this. But, I'd nudge it further and suggest that since we don't know how far into the skid Jim will steer, theoretically we can call anyone that hasn't been identified as Dresden. The british sounding guy in the prison, cowl, even demonreach itself. Lots of people have their evidence loaded and pointed towards the original Merlin. But if there is time manipulation coming, then I'd like to suggest the movie Paycheck's premise. Everything Ben Affleck critically needed was provided from a future version of him. So lets say that Harry is at the End of the BAT, and (mixing my movies in a blender here) pulls a Matthew Mcconaughey in Interstellar, sending the past messages to produce the proper outcome. Jim has let us see through Dresden's eyes and thought process about the boundaries of his world that have become further and further out. Now the outer gates and outsiders are the limit. After that...?
Any nagging little bits from previous books come up that by themselves are innocent but by looking at them from a point of view of hints at what's beyond the outer gates? Or what can be bigger than Odin, or Hades, or angels, or nickel heads or knights?

[raidem]

Well, if you read the end of book 10 of the Amber series, I think you might get a glimpse of what Harry becomes.
Amber is a cosmic Order vs. Chaos fight. There were hints that there was something else (abyss).  The author died so the series was left hanging with Merlin becoming...

In the Amber books, I don't think Merlin ever really encounters himself.  There is a Cowl in Amber... I was about to ruin the plot. Sorry.
(It's another thing that is similar between Dresden Files and Amber) (Cowl with the sounds of their voice muffled by a spell) (saying "I Love you" plot tied into it)  You will find many things 'borrowed' from Amber to include travel within the nevernever to parallel worlds.

[Kindler]

Anyone have any HUGE moments that without Harry there; or Harry making an evil choice would have massive implications?

I misread this and started writing a lengthy post about the many, many things that could have changed as a result of Grave Peril before I realized you were talking about alternate split-universe points.

I've long campaigned for Harry choosing to use Amoracchius against Lea in the graveyard as a candidate for a split point. I won't tire those who have read it many times before, but basically the entirety of Grave Peril plays out differently if he doesn't make the Sword vulnerable (Michael may not have been involved; Harry may not have gone to the party; Susan might've just died (thereby negating Maggie/all of Changes/Blood Rites' side plot); the war with the Red Court would've been delayed, which would have given the vamps longer to prepare; there's a whole lot that can be altered).

There's plenty of room for speculation; many hold that it's Harry's confession of love that is the split. I disagree, but I'm happy to be proven wrong.

[raidem]

After reading Amber, there is s huge plot surrounding "I love you" or at least it not being said in time.  So, I do think the grave peril choice will be wrapped up in it.