Author Topic: Kumori's Identity (Spoilers)  (Read 15609 times)

Offline Mpol

  • Conversationalist
  • **
  • Posts: 230
    • View Profile
Kumori's Identity (Spoilers)
« on: December 17, 2017, 05:11:45 AM »
Just reading up on WoJ, great reading by the way.
It is mentioned by Jim we will see Faith again in an event that kicks off the final trilogy...
Just had a thought, what if Faith is Kumori? Could there be a valid connection between the two? Kumori is young... but quite powerful. How many years prior did Welcome To The Jungle happen before Dead Beat? 6, maybe 7? Would this make Faith still very young? And if it is Faith, why the name Kumori?

Offline wardenferry419

  • Posty McPostington
  • ***
  • Posts: 5265
  • Can I get a Hells Bells !!!!
    • View Profile
Re: Kumori's Identity (Spoilers)
« Reply #1 on: December 17, 2017, 08:14:22 PM »
Faith is one of the suspects for Kumori.  Restoration of Faith occurred 2 to 3 years prior to SF.  So, Faith would be almost 20 by the time of DB. My personal opinion is that Faith is Elaine. But, there are other theories....
Make Mine Butcher!
Who do I have to turn to ice to get a whiskey on the rocks?

Offline raidem

  • Posty McPostington
  • ***
  • Posts: 5634
  • Duck's Apprentice
    • View Profile
Re: Kumori's Identity (Spoilers)
« Reply #2 on: December 18, 2017, 04:01:40 AM »
You mean kumori is Elaine.
"That's it???  It's really that simple? 
LIES!  Damn lies!  It's a cover up!
WOJ: http://www.paranetonline.com/index.php/topic,21772.0.html

Offline Arjan

  • Seriously?
  • ***
  • Posts: 13235
    • View Profile
Re: Kumori's Identity (Spoilers)
« Reply #3 on: December 18, 2017, 05:53:26 AM »
You mean kumori is Elaine.
Not your theory. There is no time travel in it.
WG+++: The White God is Mister.
SH[Elaine+++]

Offline wardenferry419

  • Posty McPostington
  • ***
  • Posts: 5265
  • Can I get a Hells Bells !!!!
    • View Profile
Re: Kumori's Identity (Spoilers)
« Reply #4 on: December 18, 2017, 10:32:15 AM »
Raidem was proofreading my post. I meant Kumori is Elaine. Sorry, typing whilework-tired, sleep-deprived, and drinking wine does not make for accuracy. Thanks for autocorrect, Raidem.
Make Mine Butcher!
Who do I have to turn to ice to get a whiskey on the rocks?

Offline groinkick

  • Posty McPostington
  • ***
  • Posts: 7556
  • Strike first. Strike Hard. No Mercy! - Cobra Kai
    • View Profile
Re: Kumori's Identity (Spoilers)
« Reply #5 on: December 18, 2017, 07:40:44 PM »
Not your theory. There is no time travel in it.

He was just pointing out a mistake, and was correct.
« Last Edit: December 18, 2017, 07:43:44 PM by groinkick »
Stole this from Reginald because it was so well put, and is true for me as well.

"I love this place. It was a beacon in the dark and I couldn't have made it through some of the most maddening years of my life without some great people here."  Thank you Griff and others who took up the torch.

Offline Arjan

  • Seriously?
  • ***
  • Posts: 13235
    • View Profile
Re: Kumori's Identity (Spoilers)
« Reply #6 on: December 18, 2017, 07:55:52 PM »
He was just pointing out a mistake, and was correct.
Ah, I trust he will bring us his Kumori time travel theory later  ;D
WG+++: The White God is Mister.
SH[Elaine+++]

Offline groinkick

  • Posty McPostington
  • ***
  • Posts: 7556
  • Strike first. Strike Hard. No Mercy! - Cobra Kai
    • View Profile
Re: Kumori's Identity (Spoilers)
« Reply #7 on: December 18, 2017, 08:39:49 PM »
Ah, I trust he will bring us his Kumori time travel theory later  ;D

Actually the theory has been made, I believe.  I don't know if he came up with it, or I came up with it, or someone else did.

I believe the theory was Kumori is Maggie from the future...  It actually could make sense if she, or Harry (if he were Cowl) started playing around with time travel to alter the past to prevent something really bad from happening in the future.  I think one of the things of evidence (I'm fuzzy on this and may be making it up in my own head) was that Cowl/Kumori repaired little Chicago from blowing Harry's head off, as that has never been explained.
« Last Edit: December 18, 2017, 08:41:24 PM by groinkick »
Stole this from Reginald because it was so well put, and is true for me as well.

"I love this place. It was a beacon in the dark and I couldn't have made it through some of the most maddening years of my life without some great people here."  Thank you Griff and others who took up the torch.

Offline Arjan

  • Seriously?
  • ***
  • Posts: 13235
    • View Profile
Re: Kumori's Identity (Spoilers)
« Reply #8 on: December 18, 2017, 08:51:48 PM »
Actually the theory has been made, I believe.  I don't know if he came up with it, or I came up with it, or someone else did.

I believe the theory was Kumori is Maggie from the future...  It actually could make sense if she, or Harry (if he were Cowl) started playing around with time travel to alter the past to prevent something really bad from happening in the future.  I think one of the things of evidence (I'm fuzzy on this and may be making it up in my own head) was that Cowl/Kumori repaired little Chicago from blowing Harry's head off, as that has never been explained.
:-)
WG+++: The White God is Mister.
SH[Elaine+++]

Offline forumghost

  • Posty McPostington
  • ***
  • Posts: 2729
    • View Profile
Re: Kumori's Identity (Spoilers)
« Reply #9 on: December 18, 2017, 10:13:52 PM »
Nah, Kumori is actually Molly from an aborted timeline that never became Winter Lady. Instead she travelled back to Harry's youth to become his childhood Sweetheart Elaine, and following the events of DB travelled back even furthur, meeting Malcolm and becoming Maggie Sr.

Somehow.

Offline raidem

  • Posty McPostington
  • ***
  • Posts: 5634
  • Duck's Apprentice
    • View Profile
Re: Kumori's Identity (Spoilers)
« Reply #10 on: December 18, 2017, 11:36:01 PM »
My time traveling angle with kumori is that she is Maggie Sr timehopping into different times, alternate realities with cowl.  So, kumori would stumble upon in one of these forays a future that gives her hope, desire to turn against her master.

It also may be why her gem she left to Harry will have more relevance later.  Harry once he starts his time and dimension hopping will be using the map of the nevernever to find important
Links that can increase his chance of success.
« Last Edit: December 18, 2017, 11:42:25 PM by raidem »
"That's it???  It's really that simple? 
LIES!  Damn lies!  It's a cover up!
WOJ: http://www.paranetonline.com/index.php/topic,21772.0.html

Offline HHWtoPantera

  • Participant
  • *
  • Posts: 17
    • View Profile
Re: Kumori's Identity (Spoilers)
« Reply #11 on: December 19, 2017, 12:54:39 AM »
Nah, Kumori is actually Molly from an aborted timeline that never became Winter Lady. Instead she travelled back to Harry's youth to become his childhood Sweetheart Elaine, and following the events of DB travelled back even furthur, meeting Malcolm and becoming Maggie Sr.

Somehow.

I alwyas saw Elaine as a more lithe, tall lady.  Molly is written like. a built likr Charity  character.

Offline Ananda

  • Conversationalist
  • **
  • Posts: 547
    • View Profile
Re: Kumori's Identity (Spoilers)
« Reply #12 on: December 19, 2017, 03:52:10 AM »
Kumori is Lydia who is the time travelling daughter of time travelling Molly and time travelling Marcone.

Offline wardenferry419

  • Posty McPostington
  • ***
  • Posts: 5265
  • Can I get a Hells Bells !!!!
    • View Profile
Re: Kumori's Identity (Spoilers)
« Reply #13 on: December 19, 2017, 11:04:28 AM »
That is unlikely. Molly has better taste; that is why she favors Harry.
Make Mine Butcher!
Who do I have to turn to ice to get a whiskey on the rocks?

Offline raidem

  • Posty McPostington
  • ***
  • Posts: 5634
  • Duck's Apprentice
    • View Profile
Re: Kumori's Identity (Spoilers)
« Reply #14 on: December 19, 2017, 02:19:03 PM »
Lydia was being sacrificed at the masquerade that cowl and kumori was attending.
"That's it???  It's really that simple? 
LIES!  Damn lies!  It's a cover up!
WOJ: http://www.paranetonline.com/index.php/topic,21772.0.html