Nicodemus wants to be God

[wardenferry419]

Yeah, look how well digging a pit for a werewolf worked out.

[jonas]

Yeah, look how well digging a pit for a werewolf worked out.

It obviously was never built to spec though.

[groinkick]

On the other hand, just because you dig a pit to trap a boar, doesn't mean it cannot trap/hold a bear.

No but it wouldn't trap Godzilla...  The power scale between a werewolf, and Uriel is astronomical.  It's like the flame of a candle compared to a star.

[Rasins]

No but it wouldn't trap Godzilla...  The power scale between a werewolf, and Uriel is astronomical.  It's like the flame of a candle compared to a star.

But we're talking about Magic here.  We've been told that a Wizard can change reality it's self with it.  Uriel is part of that reality.

[groinkick]

But we're talking about Magic here.  We've been told that a Wizard can change reality it's self with it.  Uriel is part of that reality.

First we don't know how much angels are part of reality.  Outsiders are outside of reality, and can enter.  Uriel, and the others may be elevated so far away from the mortal realm that they are effectively outside of reality warping abilities that wizards can do.


There are limits to magic based on the person who uses it.  Harry gets tired flipping over a car with magic.  Uriel can destroy galaxies with no effort.  There is a reason Mab is so feared, and her power scale is far below that of Uriel.  If the entire White Council  can't take on Mab, why would anyone be able to contain Uriel?

[jonas]

First we don't know how much angels are part of reality.  Outsiders are outside of reality, and can enter.  Uriel, and the others may be elevated so far away from the mortal realm that they are effectively outside of reality warping abilities that wizards can do.


There are limits to magic based on the person who uses it.  Harry gets tired flipping over a car with magic.  Uriel can destroy galaxies with no effort.  There is a reason Mab is so feared, and her power scale is far below that of Uriel.  If the entire White Council  can't take on Mab, why would anyone be able to contain Uriel?

Curiously i'm not sure how I feel on this one, on one hand i'd give it to the angels as outsiders, on the other I remember how damned worried Uriel was when Harry tried to give him a nickname.... but that could specifically be a starborn feature in Harry affecting things.

[Rasins]

GK,  I really do get what you are saying.  I'm still of the opinion that a mortal wizard DOES have the ultimate power. 

[Arjan]

GK,  I really do get what you are saying.  I'm still of the opinion that a mortal wizard DOES have the ultimate power.

The ultimate power in the dresdenverse is the power to tell stories. A good story that catches on changes how the spiritual world manifests in the dresdenverse.

[Rasins]

The ultimate power in the dresdenverse is the power to tell stories. A good story that catches on changes how the spiritual world manifests in the dresdenverse.

I'm not so sure about story telling.  Though that is a kind of magic on it's own.

[Arjan]

I'm not so sure about story telling.  Though that is a kind of magic on it's own.

The Archive is based upon it and there is a reason Mab thinks the Grimm book is so important. Odin changed when his story changed.

[Rasins]

Well, now, that's not entirely true.

The archive is ALL writing, not just story-telling.
Mab had the Grimm brothers tell her story to keep them tied more closely to the mortal realm.
and Santa hasn't changed.  He carries a sword and is really buff.  Not the image Coca-Cola portrays really.

[groinkick]

GK,  I really do get what you are saying.  I'm still of the opinion that a mortal wizard DOES have the ultimate power.

Lets say you're right about Angels once being mortal, and their power grew.  Wouldn't that make them a wizard + about a billion times more power?  If they were mortals who obtained insane amounts of power, why would a mortal wizard somehow have power over them?  Logically speaking they would be basically super wizards.

[Arjan]

Well, now, that's not entirely true.

The archive is ALL writing, not just story-telling.

All knowledge about creatures. Basically their story. There is a nice woj about the archives real purpose.

Mab had the Grimm brothers tell her story to keep them tied more closely to the mortal realm.

To tie themself to the mortal realm and how they express themselves there.

and Santa hasn't changed.  He carries a sword and is really buff.  Not the image Coca-Cola portrays really.

He is not the same odin anymore either or does he still want human sacrifices hanging on a tree? His story has changed because humans did so.

[forumghost]

I mean Vadderung probably wouldn't object  too much to a few ritualistic human sacrifices, those are worth quite a bit in God Currency- particularly in these days, where worship is running low (though between Marvel and Santa, Odin is probably doing better than most)

[exartiem]

The truly ultimate power in the Dresden universe is Jim Butcher.