Mab/Murphy Ironies

[raidem]

I've got to keep my pride and joy from 2011.
It led me to believe in an expansive time travel theory, in futuristic IdHarry, in "There You Are" hinting at Harry's return to the past either via IdHarry when unconscious or an actual character like a rerun of GP during the beginning of Masquerade.  It made me believe there was already a future, that there was a cycle near completion and near the BAT last ditch time shenanigans are set in motion to push things in one direction or another.  We are already feeling some of it, just not in the driver's seat...YET.

GS Book Club / Re: Ghost Story Book Club - Chapters 46-FINISH **MAJOR SPOILERS**
« on: August 01, 2011, 11:31:53 AM »
I just was reading Fool Moon Ch. 20 and ran across the following regarding Harry meeting his subconscious and trying to get away from him.
My double slipped around me and got in my way before I could leave teh circle of light.  "Hold it.  You really don't want to do this."  I'm tired.  I feel like shit.  I'm hurt.  And what I really dont want is to waste any more time dreaming about you."  I narrowed my eyes at my double.  "Now get out of my way."  I turned to my right and started walking toward the nearest edge of the circle.  My double slipped in front of me again, apparently without needing to cross the intervening space.  It isn't that simple, Harry.  No matter where you go, there you are."  End.
Now the above phrase "No matter where you go, there you are" is the same statement that Uriel tells Harry in Ghost Story when Harry says the following.  "Just tell me something.   Something useful.  I'll be happy with whatever I get."  He (Uriel) pursed his lips and thought about it for a moment.  Then he said, "No matter where you go, there you are." 
Ok.  Now is Uriel wanting Harry to consult this "Subconscious Harry".  It in my opinion seems that way.

[raidem]

Jonas Pointed out "she be little but fierce" phrase gaining popularity with Shakespeare's Midsummer's Night Dream.
Hermia definitely sounds like Murphy at least when it comes to height issues and desire for actual combat.  We have a WOJ that Shakespeare "really doesn't know what he is talking about" but, in my opinion, still touches upon some kernel of truth.

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HERMIA
    “Lower”? Hark, again!
HERMIA
“Shorter!” See, she’s doing it again!

HELENA
Good Hermia, do not be so bitter with me.
I evermore did love you, Hermia,
Did ever keep your counsels, never wronged you—
Save that, in love unto Demetrius,
I told him of your stealth unto this wood.
He followed you. For love I followed him.
But he hath chid me hence and threatened me
To strike me, spurn me—nay, to kill me too.
And now, so you will let me quiet go,
To Athens will I bear my folly back
And follow you no further. Let me go.
You see how simple and how fond I am.
HELENA
Good Hermia, please don’t act so bitter toward me. I always loved you, Hermia, and gave you advice. I never did anything to hurt you—except once, when I told Demetrius that you planned to sneak off into this forest. And I only did that because I loved Demetrius so much. He followed you. And I followed him because I loved him. But he told me to get lost and threatened to hit me, kick me—even kill me. Now just let me go quietly back to Athens. I’ll carry my mistakes back with me. I won’t follow you anymore. Please let me go. You see how naïve and foolish I’ve been.

HERMIA
Why, get you gone! Who is ’t that hinders you?
HERMIA
Well, get out of here then! What’s keeping you?

HELENA
A foolish heart, that I leave here behind.
HELENA
My stupid heart, which I’m leaving behind here.

HERMIA
What, with Lysander?
HERMIA
What, you’re leaving it with Lysander?

HELENA
    With Demetrius.
HELENA
No, with Demetrius.

LYSANDER
Be not afraid. She shall not harm thee, Helena.
LYSANDER
Don’t be afraid. She can’t hurt you, Helena.

DEMETRIUS
(to LYSANDER)
No, sir, she shall not, though you take her part.
DEMETRIUS
(to LYSANDER) That’s right, Hermia won’t hurt Helena even if you try to help her.

HELENA
Oh, when she’s angry, she is keen and shrewd!
She was a vixen when she went to school.
And though she be but little, she is fierce.
HELENA
Oh, when you get her angry, she’s a good fighter, and vicious too. She was a hellcat in school. And she’s fierce, even though she’s little.

HERMIA
“Little” again? Nothing but “low” and “little”!—
Why will you suffer her to flout me thus?
Let me come to her.
HERMIA
“Little” again? Nothing but “little” and “short”!— Why are you letting her insult me like this? Let me at her!.

So, I think Mab's identity will play a pivotal part in the Dresden Files story.  It is hinted at in a few WOJ's already.

[peregrine]

And that when Sanya mentions it, he also knows that Murphy is Mab and that it's a reference to Midsummer Night's Dream, but also that Shakespeare got it a little off?

[jonas]

still touches upon some kernel of truth

Yea... she even has a love triangle with her sister like Murphy and whatshername... and Mab an Titania did that time...


You just kinda furthered mine own theory, which generally leads to a similar conclusion. the inverting of the gyre in Yeats poem is the basis of a kind of opposite mirroring of reality that happened last time(with Harry-Nico Marcone-TWC inversion) Which... should make Harry The dark spiritus mundus... though why I won't guess at here.
Nic when he first appears is basically dressed as Id Dresden with a tan trench, to invert the color scheme no doubt. Wears the hat. Is short because he forswore most of his power breaking promises upon it, argo loosing stature of importance. He made all the other choices in reverse but the similarities stayed.
Murphy is the same but with Nemesis whose mirrored with the Mab/Titania combo... also, Elaine.

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Nope peregrine, it just requires jim, a English major major with master's degree and several references to Shakespeare in woj, references to mab not being always so tall to conclude he knows where tiny but fierce comes from...Shakespeare.

And he liberally uses it to describe Murphy, which in my mind at the least further connects in a circumstantial way Murphy with stories about faeries.

[peregrine]

Nope peregrine, it just requires jim, a English major major with master's degree and several references to Shakespeare in woj, references to mab not being always so tall to conclude he knows where tiny but fierce comes from...Shakespeare.

And he liberally uses it to describe Murphy, which in my mind at the least further connects in a circumstantial way Murphy with stories about faeries.

But when he uses "There you are" in which case it's all about everyone saying it knowing that Harry is a time traveling dimension hopper, and literally everyone but Harry knows that.  Then it's all in character stuff and nothing to do with Jim as an author?

[raidem]

There would be an overlay.  One reading without a time travel cycle, one with a cycle with that meaning yes.  These are future Harry's journals we are reading. Both have already happened.

[jonas]

There would be an overlay.  One reading without a time travel cycle, one with a cycle with that meaning yes.

Yea.. his Doyalist and Watsonian often overlap in purposes.

[wardenferry419]

There is something to wrap your head around. We are reading books written in the future in first person, present-tense.

[raidem]

Yeah, I think we need a thread delving into what all that entails. Particularly given he would have already written the time travel book. And, he may or may not have already written the BAT.

[jonas]

There is something to wrap your head around. We are reading books written in the future in first person, present-tense.

Here's something to Really wrap your head around, we're reading it as Harry remembers it, but not as it happens in the final timeline after MM  or in it's originality O.o MM timeline is the original unaltered timeline, or Harry is a result of his own actions going back in time to change his own actions....

[wardenferry419]

I am going to go hug myself in the corner while rocking gently. Thank you.

[raidem]

Well, you do know that Jim has it planned that in one of his books he ends up in an insane asylum.  I guess we stumbled upon why.

[wardenferry419]

Sometimes I think I draw my thoughts from outer space; then, I read something here that makes me realize that I haven't even passed the the stratosphere. It's fun!

[jonas]

Sometimes I think I draw my thoughts from outer space; then, I read something here that makes me realize that I haven't even passed the the stratosphere. It's fun!

The line between Genius and Crazy is a fine line indeed fun though.