The curse on MacFinn

[wardenferry419]

I think you are mixing stories. St. Patrick drove out the snakes in Ireland. Cursing MacFinn family was seperate act or am I wrong?

[Kindler]

I can see the curse as being something that happens to an adult male and not a child.

I'd imagine it passes upon the death of the progenitor. So cursed Dad dies, and the curse becomes active on the son.

Which would make the Terrible Twos considerable rougher.

I'm not sure if an infant could survive the shift. And honestly, this happening to a baby is so disturbing that I hope I'm wrong.

[Paviel]

I think you are mixing stories. St. Patrick drove out the snakes in Ireland. Cursing MacFinn family was seperate act or am I wrong?

In the absence of any evidence that St. Patrick specifically used a loup-garou to drive the snakes out of Ireland, they probably are two completely different things.

Part of the reason why I thought it was TWG who had given St. Patrick the power to curse the MacFinn bloodline was that Bob said it took a huge amount of power, like a demon lord or a faerie queen's level of power, to cast the loup-garou curse on one person, let alone an entire bloodline.

[jonas]

In the absence of any evidence that St. Patrick specifically used a loup-garou to drive the snakes out of Ireland, they probably are two completely different things.

Part of the reason why I thought it was TWG who had given St. Patrick the power to curse the MacFinn bloodline was that []Bob said it took a huge amount of power, like a demon lord or a faerie queen's level of power, to cast the loup-garou curse on one person, let alone an entire bloodline.[/b]

Ahh.. But that's from the outside in, Margret Cursed Raith using her own bloodline quite easily O.O
otherwise poor St. Patrick is neither Fairie queen or demon lord..

[Paviel]

otherwise poor St. Patrick is neither Fairie queen or demon lord..

But he was in league with TWG. Knowing what Uriel could do to empower Michael, I am quite sure that if putting a loup-garou curse on the MacFinn bloodline was part of TWG's plan, he could have empowered St. Patrick to cast that curse.

More to the point, I think TWG is the only one who could have or would have done so. St. Patrick himself wouldn't have had more power than "a major heavy weight sorcerer or a demon lord or one of the Faerie Queens" unless TWG had wanted him to.

[Rasins]

You keep throwing around that word and it may not really apply.

Curse.

It may not have been a curse.  It may have been a blessing to MacFinn's ancestor, and the setting up of a tool for the BAT.

It's just that the Down Below Crew view it as a curse, and subsequent generations don't see the benefits to becoming a ravaging, homicidal monster.

[Paviel]

That's the word that Bob, Harry, and Jim Butcher used to describe it.

For my part, I am inclined to agree that it's a case of "Cursed With Awesome," to use tvtropes terminology.

[wardenferry419]

Cursed with awesome and terrible power.

[Mr. Death]

Reminds me of a plot of an episode of Legend of the Seeker. In short, the Seeker and his group are in a kingdom that is being plagued by a monster at night.

Eventually, they find out that the monster is a member of the royal family, and the "curse" turning them into it was voluntary -- their ancestors opted into it so that the monster could protect them from an enemy force.

[wardenferry419]

I liked Legend of the Seeker. Especially Bridget Regan. Based of the Goodkind books, right?

[Mr. Death]

I liked Legend of the Seeker. Especially Bridget Regan. Based of the Goodkind books, right?

Yes, and much better than the books (the later ones, at least), if you ask me. Goodkind got way too much into Ayn Rand and let that take over his narrative.

The series keeps the adventure bits and excises the politics and benefits immensely from it (and from Craig Horner's abs. I'm straight, but goddamn).

[wardenferry419]

Yeah, after half a dozen books it was more preaching and less fighting.

[jonas]

Yeah, after half a dozen books it was more preaching and less fighting.

That's an unfair assumption considering, while Richard acknowledges the creator, his logical approach to life leaves little reasoning at worship. The whole thing was supposed to 'preach'/teach. Like the adventures of Bonnie day in the story, this story was a primer to how to approach life logically and act with the right intentions and forthought. It's 90% of the reason I name myself Wizard, Nobody else got the damned easy to wrangle unwritten rules, Embrace Life, No matter your views or perspective.
I prefer to see a philosophical subtext, rather than a theological one.

[wardenferry419]

Can we agree to disagree due to personal feelings about how Goodkind chose to voice his belief without it being a point of tension?

[Mr. Death]

"Preach" in this context does not exclusively refer to religion.