Harry/Marcone Relationship

[Rasins]

I didn't get the impression that Marcone was old enough to have served in Viet Nam.

[raidem]

Should I make a Marcone's Age thread?

Oh, and I linked the WOJ about Marcone being a Marine.  There wasn't a reference to Vietnam that I thought there was.  So, I'm not sure why Vietnam is still being discussed though whatever, perhaps there is another hint, or suggestion outside of the WOJ delivered via twitter.

[jonas]

Guess you don't see any Arthur, Merlin comparisons?

[raidem]

 I see that he wanted very much to employ Harry early on, to get him to sign a contract.
 I see Jim deliberately writing Harry/Marcone interactions with  fatherly undertones.  Marcone seems to employ father talking to son act with Harry when he is trying to get Harry to do something.  Harry perceiving Marcone's actions as someone employing father talking to son act.

[jonas]

Merlin is younger than Uther btw. I accredited it to identifying Marcone as fatherly, as he only actually tries that the first time, but Marcone is identified with similar words even when not trying to be. Ultimate test? Check Even Hand for the same key word descriptions, a technique we know Jim uses for identifications and drawing similarity.
See if he's still 'fatherly' without Dresden in the scene?
*have to wait on brief cases for my own copy ;/

[wardenferry419]

Good ole' Uncle Johnny Marcone is always looking out for his little nephew Harry.

[raidem]

There is only one reference to father in Even Hand but it is a Reference to Father Forthill. Even Hand does have him acting fatherly though:).

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I glanced down at the sleeping child again. “Using a child to cover your part of the scheme. Quite cold-blooded, Justine.”
“I freed all of Mag’s prisoners to cover up the theft of his records at my lady’s bidding,” she said quietly. “The child was… not part of the plan.”
“Children frequently aren’t,” I said.
“I took her out on my own,” she said. “She’s free of that place. She will stay that way.”
“To be raised among the vampires?” I asked. “Such a lovely child will surely go far.”
Justine grimaced and looked away. “She was too small to swim out on her own. I couldn’t leave her.”
I stared at the young woman for a long moment. Then I said, “You might consider speaking to Father Forthill at St. Mary of the Angels. The Church appears to have some sort of program to place those endangered by the supernatural into hiding. I do not recommend you mention my name as a reference, but perhaps he could be convinced to help the child.”

Yeah, that has crossed my mind too, at least the uncle bit.  But just keep in mind, Marcone plans to test himself against Harry, aka kill him, should the need arise.

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...They were there to kill Harry Dresden...
I would test myself against Dresden in earnest one day – or he against me. Until then, I had to gather as many resources to myself as possible. And when the day of reckoning came, I had to make sure it happened in a place where, despite his powers, he would no longer have the upper hand.
Like everything else.
Location, location, location.

In my far out WAG with Marcone's origin lying in time travel with Harry and Murphy as parents.  I see Marcone set against a dangerous father, with Marcone taking out the Evil Harry.

[wardenferry419]

So, Marcone is the Dresdenverse Cable.

[raidem]

Oh, Cain and Able?
Some in the past have wondered if marcone is another brother of Harry. Maybe cousin... who knows.

[wardenferry419]

Cable as in Cyclops son sent to the future then returns to the present as an old man with the goal of defeating Apocalypse.  It is an X-Men thing.

[raidem]

Gotya.  Ooh, that can be used as great circumstantial evidence supporting a John Marcone connected with time travel and perhaps having surprising identities for his parents due to TT.  Nice find and addition.  His name begins with Nathan similar to marcone, according to woj.  It should be noted however that there are references on internet of Hendricks first name being Nathan.

[Kindler]

I think, if there's going to be Time Travel, it's going to involve Harry heading back to meet Papa Murphy and help him with a Black Cat case. There's a Word of Jim that basically confirms it wasn't a suicide; to me, that's an indication that we'll find out what really happened to him.

I could see a chain of events taking shape, with Murphy and Harry getting thrown back there by Uriel (or Mab, or whatever) because someone else was messing with time, like Nicodemus in a last-ditch attempt to pull off a win. They get stuck there for a while, baby happens, then get snapped back to the present, being forced to abandon their baby, who they find out is John Marcone. Because he's such an important figure, they can't go back and rescue him, or risk violating Time Laws by ending the loop (or I guess, in this case, opening a closed loop).

Super implausible, sure, but why not? If nothing else, there's a pretty good reason to end their relationship if Jim intends to do that.

[Rasins]

I have a hard time believing there is any blood relationship between Harry and Marcone.

I'd sooner believe he's the time-traveled son of Faith Astor.

[raidem]

I think what got me headed the way of Harry and Marcone being related and with some father/son dynamic going on was many of the early father, grandfather, father talking to son, fatherly references between Harry and Marcone.

Besides that, I probably would never have gone down this route.

[Rasins]

I think what got me headed the way of Harry and Marcone being related and with some father/son dynamic going on was many of the early father, grandfather, father talking to son, fatherly references between Harry and Marcone.

Besides that, I probably would never have gone down this route.

Oh, I get it.  I just think having everyone related (okay not EVERYONE, but ...) would detract from the world-wide threat and drama of the series.  At least for me.