Marvra and Kemmler (Deadbeat)

[EBRIEN]

I feel like I missed something. Did we ever learn why Mavra needed the Book?

Thanks--Brien

[Griffyn612]

It contained things that could be used against the Black Court.  She didn't want it in anyone else's hands.  Harry tells her at the end that he read it, and knows how it could be used against her kind.

[DonBugen]

I feel, though, that we haven't seen the end of her. Didn't Jim say that she would appear in Mirror Mirror, actually as an ally? I wonder if she was able to use the Word, too. She does have power.

[raidem]

There was a woj on cowl and mavra.

I believe the question asked about both and their longevity going forward. 

From what I recall, the woj suggests mavras end is coming sooner than later.  So I took it that Cowl's storyline will continue longer than Mavras.

[Griffyn612]

There was a woj on cowl and mavra.

I believe the question asked about both and their longevity going forward. 

From what I recall, the woj suggests mavras end is coming sooner than later.  So I took that coals storyline will continue longer than mavras.

Or, if you're a fan of time travel theories, her story is already over.   

[Snark Knight]

I feel, though, that we haven't seen the end of her. Didn't Jim say that she would appear in Mirror Mirror, actually as an ally? I wonder if she was able to use the Word, too. She does have power.

The WOJ was ambiguous to an extent, but given that his phrasing was 'fast ally' I think prevailing opinion was that she's an ally to evil Mirror Dresden. Prime Harry might collaborate with her temporarily if it was necessary to confront a mutual enemy he considered even worse, but I don't think he could condone her as more than a temporary truce of necessity.

[kazimmoinuddin]

I have this idea that the dar hollow ritual could be adapted to use BCV or even ghouls as a power source. We know it is said Dracula failed when he created the BCV, so this adapted ritual could be a success. To make it as powerful as possible, it would require the sacrifice of the remaining BCV elders. If BCV can be affected by necromancy, I guessed they could be a fuel source, in necromancy violent deaths and older bodies work the best, so the elders are perfect.

[Rasins]

Given that Kemmler was a necromancer, it fits that anything dead would want to limit his knowledge from getting out into the general public (of the supernatural world)

[kazimmoinuddin]

My money is mavra wanting the book for a power play on the BCV, to restore it and her own power on a large scale.

[forumghost]

Given that Kemmler was a necromancer, it fits that anything dead would want to limit his knowledge from getting out into the general public (of the supernatural world)

But if that was all she wanted she could have just left it be and the Council would have probably destroyed the thing.

No, she wanted something that was in those pages for her own use alright. And Harry is gonna be in shit up to his elbows when everyone finds out that the Black Court is back (or something along those lines) just because he wants in Murphy's pants.

[KurtinStGeorge]

The WOJ was ambiguous to an extent, but given that his phrasing was 'fast ally' I think prevailing opinion was that she's an ally to evil Mirror Dresden. Prime Harry might collaborate with her temporarily if it was necessary to confront a mutual enemy he considered even worse, but I don't think he could condone her as more than a temporary truce of necessity.

What Mavra can't tell the difference between the two Harry's?  Prime Harry could work with Mavra, but for a different goal than what Mavra would expect. 

[jonas]

What Mavra can't tell the difference between the two Harry's?  Prime Harry could work with Mavra, but for a different goal than what Mavra would expect.

What if Prime Harry is more insightful than !Harry and uses Necromancy vs Mavra where !Harry cannot.

[wardenferry419]

Speaking of which Lara, Mavra, and Cowl have been absentee for the last third of the series. Are there any other villians that need to make a re-appearance? Additionally, what has been going on with the Senior Council since Changes? I really want to see their reaction to the new super-charged Harry.

[Quantus]

Speaking of which Lara, Mavra, and Cowl have been absentee for the last third of the series. Are there any other villians that need to make a re-appearance? Additionally, what has been going on with the Senior Council since Changes? I really want to see their reaction to the new super-charged Harry.

Some of them have a recurring pattern, jim has acknowledged vaguely. Like the Denarians every five books, for example. 

I expect most if not all of those to appear in the next one for the Peace Talks (probably not Cowl, at least not as an envoy).

[Snark Knight]

Some of them have a recurring pattern, jim has acknowledged vaguely. Like the Denarians every five books, for example. 
I expect most if not all of those to appear in the next one for the Peace Talks (probably not Cowl, at least not as an envoy).

Skin Game threw me for a bit of a loop with that. I'd kept expecting at least a B-plot with vampires, since one court or another has been significant somehow in every multiple of three up until SG.