Summoning Question

[Rasins]

Okay, I was there, and actually I asked that question of Jim, and here's what I took away from that.

Becoming the Winter Lady does not push her soul out.  It does not limit her ability to exchange pieces with others directly.

What it does is gives her POWER.

The old adage that power corrupts ...

She still has her soul.  Now if she keeps it is up to her and her use of the power she is given.  The temptation to do whatever she likes is even stronger not that she has power.

That is why Jim equivocates over Mab's soul.  He doesn't know if she's gone so far down the left hand path that she no longer has a soul.

[jonas]

That's a bit clearer and more in line with what I expected sans confusing discussions on it.

[Zaphodess]

Okay, I was there, and actually I asked that question of Jim, and here's what I took away from that.

Becoming the Winter Lady does not push her soul out.  It does not limit her ability to exchange pieces with others directly.

What it does is gives her POWER.

The old adage that power corrupts ...

She still has her soul.  Now if she keeps it is up to her and her use of the power she is given.  The temptation to do whatever she likes is even stronger not that she has power.

That is why Jim equivocates over Mab's soul.  He doesn't know if she's gone so far down the left hand path that she no longer has a soul.

Thanx for asking and sharing 

I have trouble getting my head around the concept that going down the left hand path causes the loss of someone's soul. Having a soul doesn't mean having a good soul. It jars with my RL - not beliefs, cause I'm an atheist - concepts I've been taught in religious education.

But if that's the way it works in the DV, ok. Unusual imo, but actually not that difficult to follow. There are a couple of implications/theoretical possibilities imo:

• Mab does have a bit of a soul left, cause she's not completely evil imo.
• There is no hell to go to. Completely evil people just cease to exist after death.
• Or maybe it's impossible for a free-willed human being to truly become 100% completely evil. Deirdre seems to have had a soul left that could go to Hades.
• The Fallen aren't souls like the not Fallen angels.
• Hence their inability to use soul-fire.

[Rasins]

Zaphodess,

I understand what you are saying.  And the Phrase "lose your soul" is really a bad use of language.  If you'll buy into the concept of Dark = bad and Light = good, then you aren't losing your soul, you are darkening it.  Or lightening it as the case may be.

And according to Jim, the pursuit of power is something that lends itself to darkening of one's soul.

[Quantus]

Zaphodess,

I understand what you are saying.  And the Phrase "lose your soul" is really a bad use of language.  If you'll buy into the concept of Dark = bad and Light = good, then you aren't losing your soul, you are darkening it.  Or lightening it as the case may be.

And according to Jim, the pursuit of power is something that lends itself to darkening of one's soul.

Darkening = "Staining", perhaps?

[Rasins]

Darkening = "Staining", perhaps?

It's the CONCEPT ... the Concept, not the word ... LOL