Weapons that can kill Immortals?

[kazimmoinuddin]

If I remember correct, there are three weapons linked to Arthur. A sword, spear and a dagger. If the Knights have the sword, and the athame is the dagger, so where is the spear?

[forumghost]

Until recently? In Hades vault.

[Griffyn612]

Krull Glaive for the win.

[knnn]

What Wyltok posted, that WOJ mentioned the swords, the noose, and the Blackstaff specifically.  It was back around the release of Changes, so none of the SG items would count, though worth noting that the shroud from DM is excluded while the Noose is not.  I personally give the Stone Table a pass on account of it being more of a Place of Power than a traditional Item of Power. 

Yup!  Thanks Wyltok.

Point is, the Blackstaff is *something else* when it comes to power, unlike the Athame.

[LordDresden2]

If I remember correct, there are three weapons linked to Arthur. A sword, spear and a dagger. If the Knights have the sword, and the athame is the dagger, so where is the spear?

It also occurs to me that there might be some (nasty) possibilities in combination of more ordinary technology and/or magic to deal with immortals.  IIRC, Bob told Harry something to the effect that you could kill an immortal (Maeve in that specific case) and mulch the corpse, and all you'd do (except on Halloween) would be to delay her return.

So suppose someone wanted to keep an immortal, say Mab for an example, down.  Assuming he managed to kill her in the first place, you could mulch the corpse, then put a tracer spell on the remains, or otherwise attach some kind of magic to tell you what the mantle was doing, and when it starts to bring her back...mulch her again before she can recover.  Or things along those lines.  If you really had it in for her, you could even make sure each successive death was a whole new agony, sort of like what she did to Lloyd.

No wonder Mab wants Bob's knowledge out of circulation...Bob told Harry that one of the early Council Merlins apparently knew about the Halloween effect, because he originated the custom of masks on Halloween as a protective ritual.  I wonder what ever happened to that Merlin, and if the Senior Council people might still know the truth?

[Mira]

Krull Glaive for the win.

Yeah, but didn't you have to be a prince and marry a special princess and pass fire between the two of you during the ceremony?  Then and only then  could you wield it... Oh yeah, you had to stick your hand in lava to retrieve it..  It's been years since I saw the movie..

[Quantus]

It also occurs to me that there might be some (nasty) possibilities in combination of more ordinary technology and/or magic to deal with immortals.  IIRC, Bob told Harry something to the effect that you could kill an immortal (Maeve in that specific case) and mulch the corpse, and all you'd do (except on Halloween) would be to delay her return.

So suppose someone wanted to keep an immortal, say Mab for an example, down.  Assuming he managed to kill her in the first place, you could mulch the corpse, then put a tracer spell on the remains, or otherwise attach some kind of magic to tell you what the mantle was doing, and when it starts to bring her back...mulch her again before she can recover.  Or things along those lines.  If you really had it in for her, you could even make sure each successive death was a whole new agony, sort of like what she did to Lloyd.

I think at that point it would be easier to keep her alive but trapped, rather than repeatedly tracking down her corpse/energies that might reform almost anywhere in the mortal world or the NN (assuming it can start running after it realizes you are hunting it).

No wonder Mab wants Bob's knowledge out of circulation...Bob told Harry that one of the early Council Merlins apparently knew about the Halloween effect, because he originated the custom of masks on Halloween as a protective ritual.  I wonder what ever happened to that Merlin, and if the Senior Council people might still know the truth?

It was "second or third Merlin of the White Council" so Id assume s/he died over the years (half-death retirements cannot be the norm, right?).   



Fermilab.   Just outside of Chicago, a 3.9 mile PERFECT CIRCLE OF AWESOME SCIENTIFIC MIGHT!!! _(muahahah)

There has to be a use for this, no?

[groinkick]

if the Senior Council people might still know the truth?

Probably but i doubt they make it known they are aware of it because...  Mab and stuff.

[Ulfgeir]

Fermilab.   Just outside of Chicago, a 3.9 mile PERFECT CIRCLE OF AWESOME SCIENTIFIC MIGHT!!! _(muahahah)

There has to be a use for this, no?

That would make for an interesting (summoning)circle if anyone could imagine it. However, I think the delicate electronical components in it though would not respond well to any magic that used it.

/Ulfgeir

[Quantus]

That would make for an interesting (summoning)circle if anyone could imagine it. However, I think the delicate electronical components in it though would not respond well to any magic that used it.

/Ulfgeir

Only a problem if it is a Mortal using it...

[groinkick]

Only a problem if it is a Mortal using it...

Someone as powerful as say Mab, or the Mothers, or Ferro might not even need a circle like that to summon something.  Might be what weaker things need.

[Quantus]

Someone as powerful as say Mab, or the Mothers, or Ferro might not even need a circle like that to summon something.  Might be what weaker things need.

I dunno.  On the one hand we've been told that theoretically circles are unnecessary because anyone sufficiently Powerful can Imagine one strong enough to all but Will it into existence.

On the other hand, there are hard&fast rules to how Power is quantified (barring trans-dimensional exceptions like DR), such as the fact that the material impacts the function of the Circle (Iron affects Fae, Blood can carry the most energy, etc. Also the perfection of the geometry affects efficiency. 

So I have to think that a 4 mile Perfect circle drawn in Pure Energy moving at nearly the Speed of Light would still prove Useful even to the upper-tiers of the NN beings.  I cant say for certain that it would allow them to do things they could not do otherwise, but Im confident anything that might call for it would be easier with Fermilab than without

[RobReece]

I dunno.  On the one hand we've been told that theoretically circles are unnecessary because anyone sufficiently Powerful can Imagine one strong enough to all but Will it into existence.

On the other hand, there are hard&fast rules to how Power is quantified (barring trans-dimensional exceptions like DR), such as the fact that the material impacts the function of the Circle (Iron affects Fae, Blood can carry the most energy, etc. Also the perfection of the geometry affects efficiency. 

So I have to think that a 4 mile Perfect circle drawn in Pure Energy moving at nearly the Speed of Light would still prove Useful even to the upper-tiers of the NN beings.  I cant say for certain that it would allow them to do things they could not do otherwise, but Im confident anything that might call for it would be easier with Fermilab than without

Can you imagine the being that would take a 4 mile circle of containment?

[Ulfgeir]

Hmm, an idea, using the Fermilab circle, to focus lots and lots of energy (possibly built up from thaumaturgy) at one specific target... Basically have it be a capacitator for energy. Instant Deathstar...

/Ulfgeir

[groinkick]

Can you imagine the being that would take a 4 mile circle of containment?

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