Lara-Nemesis-Oblivion War

[RobReece]

If this has been discussed elsewhere, please accept my apologies...

If Lara were to become nemfected, would that give Nemesis any advantage given her involvement in the Oblivion War?  Would Jim want to use that to bring that conflict into the main book series?

If I remember correctly that he doesn't plan to have Harry involved in the Oblivion War, is this a clue to show that Lara won't be nemfected in order to keep it out?

thoughts?

[LordDresden2]

If this has been discussed elsewhere, please accept my apologies...

If Lara were to become nemfected, would that give Nemesis any advantage given her involvement in the Oblivion War?  Would Jim want to use that to bring that conflict into the main book series?

If I remember correctly that he doesn't plan to have Harry involved in the Oblivion War, is this a clue to show that Lara won't be nemfected in order to keep it out?

thoughts?

I'm not even 100% convinced that there is an Oblivion War.

[groinkick]

Thought Jim said the Oblivion War wouldn't be in the Dresden Files because Harry isn't supposed to know anything about it.

I'm not even 100% convinced that there is an Oblivion War.

There is but it's more like something happening in the Dresden universe, but not the Dresden Files. 

[Aminar]

I'm not even 100% convinced that there is an Oblivion War.

The author bit in Side Jobs certainly makes it sound like there is. It could be Lara's manipulation, but that's awfully disingenuous and unresolveable within the scope of the series. In short, the met answer proves you wrong. 

[groinkick]

Ivy's existence is the Oblivion War..  Her purpose is to erase the Old gods from reality.

[Aminar]

Ivy's existence is the Oblivion War..  Her purpose is to erase the Old gods from reality.

Care to explain how storing knowledge of them erases knowledge of them? That seems... Off.

[phi1601]

Care to explain how storing knowledge of them erases knowledge of them? That seems... Off.

Basically, she coordinates the effort to remove books and other sources of information about the Old Gods. Then, when she hasn't heard a certain name come up in any source for 3 or 4 centuries she assumes that everyone else has forgotten about it and 'deletes' it from the archive.

It's a long game.

[Aminar]

Basically, she coordinates the effort to remove books and other sources of information about the Old Gods. Then, when she hasn't heard a certain name come up in any source for 3 or 4 centuries she assumes that everyone else has forgotten about it and 'deletes' it from the archive.

It's a long game.

Do we have a source on this? Because that is decidedly anti-neutral. And given the regular crazy associated with past Archives it seems like that would be ineffective. 

[groinkick]

Do we have a source on this? Because that is decidedly anti-neutral. And given the regular crazy associated with past Archives it seems like that would be ineffective.

Jim.  The Archive isn't neutral with the Old Gods, just in other things.  When it comes to killing people who are connected to the Old Ones Ivy is without mercy.  The only crazy i know of is her mother, and that's because she took on the mantle at such a young age.  Her mother was murdered, and she got it too early.

[RobReece]

Jim.  The Archive isn't neutral with the Old Gods, just in other things.  When it comes to killing people who are connected to the Old Ones Ivy is without mercy.  The only crazy i know of is her mother, and that's because she took on the mantle at such a young age.  Her mother was murdered, and she got it too early.

You say her mother was murdered? Do you have a source for that?  As I recall, Ivy's mother was young(upper teens maybe twenty something?) and in love, when her mother was killed in a car crash, Ivy's mom flipped out over becoming the Archive and no longer having "her" life, that as soon as Ivy was born, she committed suicide.

From SmF

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“Ivy doesn’t,” Luccio agreed.
“Her grandmother was killed in a freak accident, an automobile crash, I believe. Her mother was a seventeen-year-old girl who was in love, and pregnant. She hated her mother for dying and cursing her to carry the Archive when she wanted to have her own life—and she hated the child for having a lifetime of freedom ahead of her. Ivy’s mother killed herself rather than carry the Archive.”
I started feeling a little sick. “And Ivy knows it.”
 “She does. Knows it, feels it. She was born knowing exactly what her mother thought and felt about her.”
 “How could you know this about her…” I frowned, thinking. Then said, “Kincaid. The girl was in love with Kincaid.”
“No,” Luccio said. “But Kincaid was working for Ivy’s grandmother at the time, and the girl confided in him.”

Ahh, I just realized that you weren't talking about Ivy,but her mom... ok

[Rasins]

Do we have a source on this? Because that is decidedly anti-neutral. And given the regular crazy associated with past Archives it seems like that would be ineffective.

Aminar, here is the posting from Jim ...

http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,34801.msg1663694.html#msg1663694

[peregrine]

There's still plenty of damage Nemesis could do with control of Lara (assuming it can even control her in the first place) without needing to bring the Oblivion War into things.  I wouldn't put her at any more or less risk for infection because of it.

[Aminar]

Aminar, here is the posting from Jim ...

http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,34801.msg1663694.html#msg1663694

Thanks for the source.

[groinkick]

There's still plenty of damage Nemesis could do with control of Lara (assuming it can even control her in the first place) without needing to bring the Oblivion War into things.  I wouldn't put her at any more or less risk for infection because of it.

I'm still wondering IF Laura can be Nemfected.  The only real people I know of are the Sidhe that actually go bonkers.  You don't see people like Eb, or Langtry, or Rashid, getting Nemfected, and if they were it would be devastating.

[Quantus]

I'm still wondering IF Laura can be Nemfected.  The only real people I know of are the Sidhe that actually go bonkers.  You don't see people like Eb, or Langtry, or Rashid, getting Nemfected, and if they were it would be devastating.

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Unless you do, and it's call Black Magic and Going Warlock.  Or Dark Lord, in the case of a SC member.

So really, you only see Eb not getting Nemfected.  Which makes sense given who the Blackstaff used to belong to and who her real enemy is.