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Re: The Religious Relics: What Are They?
« Reply #45 on: June 24, 2015, 05:06:15 PM »
Agreed.  Though part of the problem (with mine) is that I cant quite decide how much of the Passion events would have been pre-planned by Jesus vs some other agency.  What I mean is that I am going on the general assumption that the items were specifically Crafted ahead of time rather than being Empowered in the act (per traditional Dogma), but whether they were doing so with benevolent intentions toward Jesus or not could change things some.  For example, your idea for the crown would be a more benevolent thing as it would empower him to complete his "mission," wereas the Throned Manacle idea would be more about the jailers restraining their victim (regardless of how cooperative the subject actually is). 



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its I just let my DnD DMing mind go have fun w/ these. thinking of Holy items I would give a Pally or Priest. I usually do not go curse direction but buff and heal type w/ them. it might be tainted that way.  :-\

but I am still hoping for my Shroud guess to be true. have him revive Persiphone w/ out Marcone's knowledge. have Demeter being all types happy w/ Marcone for saving her. than have him find out and be like, "dammit Dresden!! I was supposed to be the hero not you!" than still owe him one because of it also. 8) ;)
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Re: The Religious Relics: What Are They?
« Reply #46 on: June 24, 2015, 05:38:28 PM »
its I just let my DnD DMing mind go have fun w/ these. thinking of Holy items I would give a Pally or Priest. I usually do not go curse direction but buff and heal type w/ them. it might be tainted that way.  :-\

but I am still hoping for my Shroud guess to be true. have him revive Persiphone w/ out Marcone's knowledge. have Demeter being all types happy w/ Marcone for saving her. than have him find out and be like, "dammit Dresden!! I was supposed to be the hero not you!" than still owe him one because of it also. 8) ;)
Fair enough.  Though if harry could even FIND persephone without Marcone's knowledge and help, I will be highly disappointed in the Good Baron.  :P
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Re: The Religious Relics: What Are They?
« Reply #47 on: June 24, 2015, 05:42:09 PM »
Fair enough.  Though if harry could even FIND persephone without Marcone's knowledge and help, I will be highly disappointed in the Good Baron.  :P
True. I've no doubt Marcone gave the order to have her moved within minutes of talking with Harry outside that hospital. Now, true, Harry could always try following him again, but... something tells me that wouldn't be near as easy or safe as last time.

Besides, saving the girl and having Marcone owe him isn't the sort of "good things happening to me" event that Harry gets very often. I don't see this being a likely one.
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Re: The Religious Relics: What Are They?
« Reply #48 on: June 24, 2015, 08:04:49 PM »
your ideas for the 5 objects from the vault are kinda similar to mine that I posted in the other thread. I like your ideas. I think the only major difference we have is the Crown.

FWIW, I think Quantus' Crown/manacle connection sub theory is one of the strongest on the forums.

Although to be fair, frankcesca posted it about a year ago  (ballplayer72 mighta posted the idea earlier, but if so, his post has been nommed by the autodelete monster.)
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Re: The Religious Relics: What Are They?
« Reply #49 on: June 24, 2015, 10:40:18 PM »
So far the answer seems to be None :P

Well there are lots of relics from Saints in cathedrals and whatnot, but we've no idea on their authenticity, true location or power levels.

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Re: The Religious Relics: What Are They?
« Reply #50 on: June 24, 2015, 11:24:49 PM »
I know that there's a knife in the DaVinci's Last Supper, I'm not sure if it's in the bible offhand though, so the knife might be that.  After all, the Grail is not from the actual crucifixion either.

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Re: The Religious Relics: What Are They?
« Reply #51 on: June 25, 2015, 12:20:09 AM »
Well there are lots of relics from Saints in cathedrals and whatnot, but we've no idea on their authenticity, true location or power levels.
hehe, true.  Though based on the shroud autheticity matters but isnt he end all be all. 

But I was poking fun more at their inability to properly contain the magic relics we do know about, specifically some problematic pocket change.   :)
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Re: The Religious Relics: What Are They?
« Reply #52 on: June 25, 2015, 03:56:08 PM »
I know that there's a knife in the DaVinci's Last Supper, I'm not sure if it's in the bible offhand though, so the knife might be that.  After all, the Grail is not from the actual crucifixion either.
Yes, and that dagger -- interestingly -- is being held by Peter (not Judas as some might have surmised), the man who will eventually found the beginnings of the Catholic Church.. .St. Peter, the first Pope.

Other depictions of the event by other artists have anywhere from a dozen knives arrayed at place settings to none at all. /shrug. To me, unless JB is being unusually obtuse, I would seriously doubt the knife in Hades vault is from the last supper... it's too nebulous and no real "lore" attached to it, thus unlikely to have any 'power of belief' attached. The Spear of Longinus on the other hand is rife with myth and legend... perfect for cherry picking and adaptation.
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Re: The Religious Relics: What Are They?
« Reply #53 on: June 25, 2015, 04:02:29 PM »
After all, the Grail is not from the actual crucifixion either.
In some traditions it was:  it was said that Joseph of Aramitea caught Christ's blood in the cup from the last supper, either on the cross or during his burial.  Seems to be accepted to be a later addition after the 12th century.  Building on the theme of the Wine=Blood in a more literal way, I imagine. 
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Re: The Religious Relics: What Are They?
« Reply #54 on: June 25, 2015, 04:16:51 PM »
In some traditions it was:  it was said that Joseph of Aramitea caught Christ's blood in the cup from the last supper, either on the cross or during his burial.  Seems to be accepted to be a later addition after the 12th century.  Building on the theme of the Wine=Blood in a more literal way, I imagine.

Yah, stuff like that is why I let RL... "ology" guide me in DF theorizing but not definitively.  Because different people believe different things.
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Re: The Religious Relics: What Are They?
« Reply #55 on: June 26, 2015, 06:47:21 PM »
Wasn't sure where to put this but since its indirectly about the 5 relics... In GS (with mort going up to Murphy's door) Harry cracks a joke about the justice league and 'here are the 5 cosmic super hero's of the universe!' including himself in the five. except Justice league has never had a simular opening anywhere and there are not 5 main characters I can directly classify as 'the team'. kinda a clue when you connect it later to the 5 holy relics and 5 cosmic stars in the sky in CH.

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Re: The Religious Relics: What Are They?
« Reply #56 on: June 26, 2015, 06:56:32 PM »
I'd have to track down the specific wording, but he is almost certainly referencing the Super Friends, which is Superman, Batman, Robin, Wonder Woman, and Aquaman.

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Re: The Religious Relics: What Are They?
« Reply #57 on: June 26, 2015, 06:58:06 PM »
I don't know, he does specifically say Justice League iirc though.

(Robin a cosmic super hero? lmao)

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Re: The Religious Relics: What Are They?
« Reply #58 on: June 26, 2015, 07:48:23 PM »
Was four anyway, not five.

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Re: The Religious Relics: What Are They?
« Reply #59 on: June 26, 2015, 08:30:31 PM »
I don't know, he does specifically say Justice League iirc though.

(Robin a cosmic super hero? lmao)
They called themselves the Justice League in the Superfriends.  And Robin is a much a "cosmic superhero" as Batman and Aquaman.

But, per the quote (which I couldn't find because I entirely misread where he was) it's totally the Super Friends.