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Who attacked Arctis Tor?  What was their motivation?  

The Circle
11 (21.2%)
The Outsiders/Nemesis (formerly known as the Black Council)
31 (59.6%)
The Red Court
0 (0%)
The Fomor
2 (3.8%)
A faction attacking while Maeve was in charge, so that she could sabotage the defenses
8 (15.4%)

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Offline deborahmac

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Re: Who Attacked Arctis Tor, and Why
« Reply #135 on: February 21, 2015, 03:43:54 AM »
Quote from: Al-Hajj Bilal Ammar Jihad on February 21, 2015, 03:22:24 AM
NOW you've done it!  Google, here I come...

2,869 miles by car from NYC to San Ysidro, CA (which is on the US/Mexican border).  Haven't found anyplace further in contiguous US.  But Circle, MN is the furthest place from a Starbuck's in the contiguous US.  Huh.  Montana can't be all bad, then...

Wow...you get a B + !  :D
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Re: Who Attacked Arctis Tor, and Why
« Reply #136 on: February 21, 2015, 03:47:11 AM »
Quote from: deborahmac on February 21, 2015, 03:43:54 AM
Wow...you get a B + !  :D

How about if I ditch class for the rest of the day?
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Re: Who Attacked Arctis Tor, and Why
« Reply #137 on: February 21, 2015, 03:50:26 AM »
In that case you get an a A ... if you get the rest of the kids to go with you you'll get an A+ !!!   ;D
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Re: Who Attacked Arctis Tor, and Why
« Reply #138 on: February 21, 2015, 03:53:12 AM »
Quote from: deborahmac on February 21, 2015, 03:50:26 AM
In that case you get an a A ... if you get the rest of the kids to go with you you'll get an A+ !!!   ;D

That's what I thought.  Now if I got 'em to leave coffee and donuts on your desk instead of the proverbial apple, could I just skip ahead to graduation and be done with it?
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Re: Who Attacked Arctis Tor, and Why
« Reply #139 on: February 21, 2015, 08:58:15 AM »
Coffee's a go....if it is really good coffee then take week off !!!!  :) :D  ;)
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Re: Who Attacked Arctis Tor, and Why
« Reply #140 on: February 21, 2015, 09:26:20 PM »
I know you all ignored my answers two pages ago, but I thought I should point out that this entire topic was discussed in Small Favor by Mab and Harry.  I suggest listening to it.
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Re: Who Attacked Arctis Tor, and Why
« Reply #141 on: February 21, 2015, 09:41:39 PM »
Quote from: namkcas on February 21, 2015, 09:26:20 PM
I know you all ignored my answers two pages ago, but I thought I should point out that this entire topic was discussed in Small Favor by Mab and Harry.  I suggest listening to it.

To be fair this topic hasn't really been discussed since page six, few different tangents have spewed off since then  ::)
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Re: Who Attacked Arctis Tor, and Why
« Reply #142 on: February 21, 2015, 10:12:07 PM »
Yes, we came for the Arctis Tor debate, and stayed for the geographical debate.
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Re: Who Attacked Arctis Tor, and Why
« Reply #143 on: February 22, 2015, 02:58:15 AM »
What if Mavra took up one of the Coins?  She's a pretty powerful sorcerous, and Black court vamp.  Wouldn't that make her pretty powerful?  Maybe she was one of the people bringing down a ton of Hell fire?
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Re: Who Attacked Arctis Tor, and Why
« Reply #144 on: February 22, 2015, 03:50:22 AM »
Quote from: groinkick on February 22, 2015, 02:58:15 AM
What if Mavra took up one of the Coins?  She's a pretty powerful sorcerous, and Black court vamp.  Wouldn't that make her pretty powerful?  Maybe she was one of the people bringing down a ton of Hell fire?

Not mortal.  She may not be eligible.
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Re: Who Attacked Arctis Tor, and Why
« Reply #145 on: February 22, 2015, 03:52:05 AM »
Quote from: brighellac on February 22, 2015, 03:50:22 AM
Not mortal.  She may not be eligible.

We've been batting around the idea of eligibility on another thread...do you need a soul or is it just preferred because the Fallen love twisting souls away from God, things of that nature.
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Re: Who Attacked Arctis Tor, and Why
« Reply #146 on: February 22, 2015, 03:59:04 AM »
Quote from: Eldest Gruff on February 22, 2015, 03:52:05 AM
We've been batting around the idea of eligibility on another thread...do you need a soul or is it just preferred because the Fallen love twisting souls away from God, things of that nature.

So far every person who's gotten a coin has been mortal with free will.

How that meshes with nic's offer to grey, I don't know.  My speculation is that grey is a naagloshi scion, not full on naagloshi or other shapeshifting immortal without free will.
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Re: Who Attacked Arctis Tor, and Why
« Reply #147 on: February 22, 2015, 04:12:28 AM »
Quote from: brighellac on February 22, 2015, 03:59:04 AM
So far every person who's gotten a coin has been mortal with free will.

How that meshes with nic's offer to grey, I don't know.  My speculation is that grey is a naagloshi scion, not full on naagloshi or other shapeshifting immortal without free will.

Predicated on a couple of assumptions: (1) Humans are the only beings with souls.  I disagree.  Jinni, at least, have souls too.  Maybe other sentient being as well.  (2) Grey is half-Naagloshii.  (3) That Grey is half human.  (4) That Nick knew what Grey was, and that he had a soul on which one of the Fallen could ride.
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Re: Who Attacked Arctis Tor, and Why
« Reply #148 on: February 22, 2015, 04:13:26 AM »
Quote from: brighellac on February 22, 2015, 03:59:04 AM
So far every person who's gotten a coin has been mortal with free will.

How that meshes with nic's offer to grey, I don't know.  My speculation is that grey is a naagloshi scion, not full on naagloshi or other shapeshifting immortal without free will.

But technically isn't Mavra a demon with free will?  Maybe after Dresden threatened her she was willing to make them an offer.  A merger.  "I help you with your goals, you help me with mine, then we go our separate ways." or something like that.
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Re: Who Attacked Arctis Tor, and Why
« Reply #149 on: February 22, 2015, 04:15:36 AM »
Quote from: groinkick on February 22, 2015, 04:13:26 AM
But technically isn't Mavra a demon with free will?  Maybe after Dresden threatened her she was willing to make them an offer.  A merger.  "I help you with your goals, you help me with mine, then we go our separate ways." or something like that.

I don't think the Denarians have anything she wants. Mavra is all about Mavra, and with the Darkhallow ritual at her fingertips i'm sure she has much bigger plans. A Fallen would just get in her way.
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