Need help on a supernatural fight

[Mr. Death]

Tough stuff and Supernatural Toughness do not stack.  Wasted stunt.

Tough Stuff explicitly says it does stack.

Tough Stuff: The stuff of blunt trauma—fists,
sticks, and stones—pose little trouble for you.
Against such things, you have a natural Armor:1
(which stacks with other forms of protection).
This does not apply to things like blades, bullets,
and burns, but it makes you a beast in a burly
brawl.

[Cadd]

Tough Stuff explicitly says it does stack.

I always read that as it only stacking with stuff like mundane armor and such - but it doesn't actually say that, so by RAW it does stack with Toughness powers... Interesting, and as there will be few things that negate Toughness but not the stunt*, the end result is a sort of not-quite-halfway point between Supernatural and Mythic Toughness...

*Basically - punching with some sort of silver implement (such as rings) that aren't "sharp" enough to negate Tough Stuff...

[InFerrumVeritas]

I always read that as it only stacking with stuff like mundane armor and such - but it doesn't actually say that, so by RAW it does stack with Toughness powers... Interesting, and as there will be few things that negate Toughness but not the stunt*, the end result is a sort of not-quite-halfway point between Supernatural and Mythic Toughness...

*Basically - punching with some sort of silver implement (such as rings) that aren't "sharp" enough to negate Tough Stuff...

Fair enough.  Still, you're better off with Inhuman Recovery.  You get a lot more bang for that two refresh than those two stunts.

[Taran]

I agree.  Recovery is really nice. 

[Cadd]

Fair enough.  Still, you're better off with Inhuman Recovery.  You get a lot more bang for that two refresh than those two stunts.

Oh I absolutely agree! Like I wrote above - the capacity to recover consequences one step faster is worth a lot more than a bit of armor.

[ohiowarden]

yeah i think i'll get Inhuman Recovery

[Silverblaze]

Why not both recovery and the stunts long term?

Also, the conversation we ("WILL NOT HAVE"):

Easy way to explain it.  Powers shouldn't be made free.

+3 catches aside from immunity; make all the powers cost -1 refresh.
-2
-2 (-4) two more than the previous
-2 (-6) two more than the previous
+3 refresh
= 3

-4 means something was effectively free.

Oddly worded but I think it is more of a balance issue than a "makes sense" issue.