Author Topic: On-line writers groups  (Read 13841 times)

Offline pathele

  • Conversationalist
  • **
  • Posts: 129
    • View Profile
On-line writers groups
« on: June 26, 2006, 01:12:01 PM »
Hey all,
I have been writing for most of my life. I have never been part of a writers group, on-line or otherwise.  I started looking around for one in my area (Oklahoma City), but most of the ones I found are for Romance or some other genre.

Here's my questions:
How many of you belong to on-line writers groups?
Are they as useful as in-person writers groups?
Are there any that you would recommend for an unpublished aspiring writer?

thanks in advance for the info.

-paul  aka travln_bard

Offline blue moon

  • Participant
  • *
  • Posts: 32
    • View Profile
Re: On-line writers groups
« Reply #1 on: June 26, 2006, 02:27:02 PM »
The only online crit group I ever participated in was on Kelley Armstrong's website.  She's got a thriving writing community over there, and while it's open to all genres (including screenwriting and poetry forums), there's a lot of paranormal of all flavors.

I received some good comments on what I posted there- not just positive stuff but also helpful critical comments.  But I've found that I prefer to work with a "real world" critique group.  My group met through NaNoWriMo.  Even if it's not really for you, I'd recommend checking out your local NaNo chapter.  For me, it's been a great way to meet other local writers.  Our group is all over the board as far as genre- vampire, space opera, romance, and a lit fic about slavery in the 1700s.  But I like the variety.  The difference not only between individual writer's styles but also of the different genres keeps you on your toes.  And it was the one member of the group who DOESN'T read romance novels who pointed out that I was totally violating my hero's character in the first love scene.  So sometimes it's a reader with no background in the genre who sees things with the sharpest eyes.

Offline Mickey Finn

  • Encyclopedia Salesman at the Gates of Mordor --- http://tinyurl.com/Amazon-Page-for-Finn
  • White Council
  • Posty McPostington
  • *****
  • Posts: 8382
  • Moderator, Thematic Consultant for Comic
    • View Profile
    • Amazon Profile
Re: On-line writers groups
« Reply #2 on: June 26, 2006, 03:19:25 PM »
I used to (and Hastur after me) run the CHUDStories arm of Cinematic Happenings Under Development. The point of the whole thing is that there were some talented writers on the board that were fledgling, and the site wanted to put up original stories by them. I got to act as editor.
The side of effect of this was that it became a sort of writer's group, as people woul comment on the stories posted, on the boards. (This would be after Hastur or I edited them.) It had a positive effect, we believe.

The site's story arm is still limping along, under a different editor, if you're interested. ( www.chud.com )



*waiting for someone to suggest a writer's group being formed from these boards*
We are not nouns. We are VERBS. -Stephen Fry
The Universe is made of stories, not of atoms. -Muriel Rukeyser

Podcast: http://thegentlemennerds.com/

Wormwood Mysteries:
"All The Pretty Little Horses" http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00W8FE3FS 
"Sign of the Times" http://tinyurl.com/DirtyMagick

Offline pathele

  • Conversationalist
  • **
  • Posts: 129
    • View Profile
Re: On-line writers groups
« Reply #3 on: June 26, 2006, 03:52:06 PM »
*waiting for someone to suggest a writer's group being formed from these boards*

Now that is a REALLY great idea. 

Would anyone be interested in something like that?   ;D

Offline Blitz

  • Conversationalist
  • **
  • Posts: 191
  • Shadows aren't scary- it's what comes out of them.
    • View Profile
    • CRash Landing
Re: On-line writers groups
« Reply #4 on: June 26, 2006, 07:28:58 PM »
I would be.  I belong to a couple of online writers' groups, but I would have to say that real-world groups are probably more beneficial.  The Internet is all fine and dandy, but human contact has its uses.  You know the people, you get more personal feedback, etc.  On the other hand, if you want nonpartial feedback, you might be better off going online.
<----- Blog

Offline dawnsister

  • Conversationalist
  • **
  • Posts: 105
    • View Profile
Re: On-line writers groups
« Reply #5 on: July 11, 2006, 03:01:44 PM »
I know that Diana Gabaldon is involved in an online writing group, she is one of my fav authors.

http://www.its.caltech.edu/~gatti/gabaldon/fun/links.html

Also, I know someone,  I've posted about her before  but she used to be in publishing and has a website  on the industry and self marketing and such.  She's pretty witty and there's commenting back from readers.  I like it because it's a good look at the all sides of writing and different issues involved.

http://www.thepublishingcontrarian.com/

Offline Spicy

  • Lurker
  • Posts: 8
  • Joyfully annoying the world one person at a time.
    • View Profile
    • Marsters' Mobsters
Re: On-line writers groups
« Reply #6 on: July 12, 2006, 04:58:51 AM »
I'm in the process of setting up a writer's forum.  My intention is to make it available for small groups of writers in whatever genre to create and share techniques with each other.  Still in formative stage, but if I get off the pot, it may be up by August 1st.  If anyone is interested I'll provide the info when ready.

I had my own Workshop in my kitchen for ten years and the personal, face-to-face contact is difficult to give up.  But I've discovered that people are not as willing to take personal time away from their routines as much today.  So I participated in several writer's classes on-line, and found the feedback to be very helpful, both from the instructors and the students.  I agree that the anonymity seems to empower people to speak their thoughts much more openly, so you have to have tough skin in some cases. 

S
That need pushes you and pushes you until you begin to write or you begin to die.  So you see, just by beginning to write you save one life.  (Shoemaker)

Offline Kali

  • Posty McPostington
  • ***
  • Posts: 2424
  • Redhead
    • View Profile
Re: On-line writers groups
« Reply #7 on: July 12, 2006, 03:06:42 PM »
I think the biggest advantage to online writer's groups IS time management.  Trying to get five or six people together in one spot is not an easy task these days, especially if the people in question have kids.  Schedules are just too tight.  Online groups mean people can participate whenever they have a spare minute in their day.

That said, I'm not big on them.  I read for fun and I write for fun.  Reading for a purpose (to critique) generally means I don't really enjoy it; reading should never resemble a job for me.  And almost by definition, the stories aren't that good. The authors are asking for help to polish them, acknowledging that the story needs help.  I have so much to read that IS good, I find it painful to slog through bad stuff.  If it were just a bad story in a magazine or a book, I'd be free to put it down and walk away.  In a critique group, the whole point is to read and give helpful tips.  I can't do it.  I've tried.

Also, you can run into the people who submit because they want the ego boost.  They want to be told their work is sunshine and roses, and the least little bit of criticism results in temper tantrums that would make a two-year-old blush.  Or worse, criticism given in the most mild and helpful form sends the author into a pit of despair, and then I just end up feeling like I'm a puppy-kicker.  "I really liked your pacing; you've got a great grasp of how to keep a story moving!  One thing you might want to consider, though, is whether or not your main character should have such an easy time overcoming all their obstacles."   "Thank you for letting me know.  You're right.  I've burned the story, and am withdrawing from the group.  I suck."  Oi.
We don't get just one life.  We get as many as we can cram into one lifetime.

Visit my page! JessaLynch.com

Offline weever

  • Participant
  • *
  • Posts: 11
  • Innocent Bystander
    • View Profile
Re: On-line writers groups
« Reply #8 on: July 13, 2006, 01:49:02 AM »
I would be totally open to trying an online writing group.  I'm currently participating in a writing group that meets in person every other week (if we can make it).  It's been helpful so far, but I find that not all of us have the same self-motivation.  It's almost like it's turned into more of a social gathering of sorts.

I have to admit, I wouldn't be great at coordinating such a group.  However, if someone was willing to get one started, they could count me on board.

Offline Dayna Barter

  • Lurker
  • Posts: 5
    • View Profile
Re: On-line writers groups
« Reply #9 on: July 13, 2006, 06:24:04 PM »
I belong to the Online Writers Workshop for sci-fi/fantasy.  I only signed up recently, but just the act of critiquing other authors' works is helpful in and of itself.  I haven't posted any work of my own for critique yet, so I can't speak to that experience, but based on the reviews of others' work, it looks very helpful.  Several of the critiques are very comprehensive.

*waiting for someone to suggest a writer's group being formed from these boards*

<g>  Well hey, that wouldn't suck.   ;D
No trees were harmed in the creation of this message.  However, several electrons were terribly inconvenienced.

Offline Kiriath

  • Conversationalist
  • **
  • Posts: 172
  • We rise or fall...
    • View Profile
    • Sa Souvraya Niende Misain Ye
Re: On-line writers groups
« Reply #10 on: July 15, 2006, 05:48:48 AM »
The Critique Circle at http://www.critiquecircle.com seems rather friendly to me. It seems to have a nice variety of people, from the hobbyists to the professionals.

I hear many cool things about Forward Motion www.fmwriters.com, but it seems to me to be really darn intense. :)
Dr. Juruna: What doth it profit a man to gain the whole world and suffer the loss of his own soul?
Dr. Haas: Well, he profits by one entire world for starters...
A Miracle of Science

Bonded to the Traveler of the Ways

Offline apothecaryrose

  • Participant
  • *
  • Posts: 11
  • Anarchy-gasm....
    • View Profile
    • The Morrighan
Re: On-line writers groups
« Reply #11 on: July 31, 2006, 12:04:29 AM »

*waiting for someone to suggest a writer's group being formed from these boards*

<g>  Well hey, that wouldn't suck.   ;D

Sign me up :) I'm looking for a online writers group.
There is a light side, a dark side, and then there's my side, we kill people ten times faster and with less reason.

You foil a Faerie Queen. Survive your own execution. Get away from certain death. And get stuck up a freaking tree. God I hope no one sees you like this. -Summer Knight

Offline Kilsokwa

  • Lurker
  • Posts: 3
    • View Profile
Re: On-line writers groups
« Reply #12 on: August 20, 2006, 08:21:50 PM »
Hey all,
I have been writing for most of my life. I have never been part of a writers group, on-line or otherwise.  I started looking around for one in my area (Oklahoma City), but most of the ones I found are for Romance or some other genre.

Here's my questions:
How many of you belong to on-line writers groups?
Are they as useful as in-person writers groups?
Are there any that you would recommend for an unpublished aspiring writer?

thanks in advance for the info.

-paul  aka travln_bard

***************************************************************************

I dunno about groups, but I found this Gotham Writing place online doing a search on classes:
http://www.writingclasses.com/HomePages/indexOnline.php

I'm still checking it out, but it looks like a good nuts and bolts approach to writing. I'm wondering if anyone else has heard of it?

Kilso

Offline Cathy Clamp

  • Participant
  • *
  • Posts: 79
  • Dances with Segues
    • View Profile
    • C.T. Adams & Cathy Clamp Official Website
Re: On-line writers groups
« Reply #13 on: August 23, 2006, 06:44:00 PM »
Oh, I belong to a BUNCH of them.

I'm one of the Moderators on Absolute Write http://www.AbsoluteWrite.com/forums, where a bunch of SF/fantasy authors hang out (James D. Macdonald, Victoria Strauss, A.C. Crispin, etc.), as well as well-known agents, editors and publishing attorneys. It's over 9,000 strong and a very friendly group!  ;D

A few others are:

Writers BBC http://www.writersbbs.com/forums/#chat
Writers.net http://www.writers.net
WritersWeekly http://forums.writersweekly.com
The Writer (on-line home of the magazine) http://www.writermag.com/wrt/community/forum

Etc., etc.  There are lots more, too, depending on your primary writing genre.  Yes, I think they're useful, depending on your goals. For example, on AW (AbsoluteWrite) they have a "Share Your Work" forum that's password protected where other pubbed writers will help you iron out your query or synopsis or even a chapter. You can even ask stupid questions to REAL editors and agents (we've had guest agents from Curtis Brown, Trident Media, Rights Unlimited and others!) without having them laugh at you.

Stop by any one of them and say HI to me!  :D
« Last Edit: August 23, 2006, 06:46:55 PM by Cathy Clamp »
Smiles!
Cathy Clamp
Touch of Evil, USA Today bestseller
Magic's Design, now available everywhere
COLD MOON RISING, coming soon, 8/09. Preorder today!
visit our website to read sample chapters--http://www.ciecatrunpubs.com

Offline Kiriath

  • Conversationalist
  • **
  • Posts: 172
  • We rise or fall...
    • View Profile
    • Sa Souvraya Niende Misain Ye
Re: On-line writers groups
« Reply #14 on: August 23, 2006, 11:31:34 PM »
Wow.

I've heard of AbsoluteWrite, but I think that's the only one. Thanks! :)
Dr. Juruna: What doth it profit a man to gain the whole world and suffer the loss of his own soul?
Dr. Haas: Well, he profits by one entire world for starters...
A Miracle of Science

Bonded to the Traveler of the Ways