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Offline blackstaff67

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WCV Powers
« on: May 12, 2013, 02:54:18 PM »
Are WCV's susceptible from other WCV powers?  Are there any critters that would reasonably be immune or resistant to them?
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Re: WCV Powers
« Reply #1 on: May 12, 2013, 03:38:14 PM »
Quote from: blackstaff67 on May 12, 2013, 02:54:18 PM
Are WCV's susceptible from other WCV powers? 
Yes.  There's even an instance in the novels of one WCV manipulating and controlling another from behind the scenes.

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Are there any critters that would reasonably be immune or resistant to them?
Probably.  Outsiders most likely - they're simply too different, but anything without emotions would be immune.  That would include constructs and probably demons, perhaps even a few other Nevernever residents.
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Re: WCV Powers
« Reply #2 on: May 12, 2013, 04:00:02 PM »
Interesting concept that I've heard on a podcast, was someone using Incite Emotion on either an Outsider or super ancient Fae, to show them human emotions to show the pain they cause... pretty good block roll with it, that let someone come in and lop its head off with a Warden Sword.
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Re: WCV Powers
« Reply #3 on: May 12, 2013, 04:39:30 PM »
The only instance of a vampire being immune to another vampire's power is a RCV's addictive saliva, judging by Bianca's ball.
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Re: WCV Powers
« Reply #4 on: May 13, 2013, 04:33:04 AM »
Quote from: blackstaff67 on May 12, 2013, 02:54:18 PM
Are there any critters that would reasonably be immune or resistant to them?

Yes.

Can't imagine how you'd use Incite Lust on a stone golem, for example.

Canon lacks mental defence Powers, but Stunts and Aspects can cover a lot. And if you're using custom Powers you can give Stoicism and Mindless and Immunity a try.
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Re: WCV Powers
« Reply #5 on: May 14, 2013, 01:16:35 AM »

On a related note, I know you regain all Hunger-dependent powers and clear all your Hunger stress if you feed deeply enough to kill, but the books don't seem to say how much stress/powers you get back by just feeding without killing (on-screen, I know there's a one-dot regen for feeding off-screen).
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Re: WCV Powers
« Reply #6 on: May 15, 2013, 05:25:19 PM »
Going by the novels, the WCVs are feeding off bits of your soul energy.  So anything without a soul would be inappropriate to feed off of. 

I'm not sure if that means they also would be immune to incite emotion though.
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Re: WCV Powers
« Reply #7 on: May 15, 2013, 08:27:15 PM »
Keep in mind the rather open definition of 'soul' for the purposes of the Dresdenverse when applying that rule.
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Re: WCV Powers
« Reply #8 on: May 15, 2013, 08:28:15 PM »
Quote from: Dougansf on May 15, 2013, 05:25:19 PM
Going by the novels, the WCVs are feeding off bits of your soul energy.  So anything without a soul would be inappropriate to feed off of. 

I'm not sure if that means they also would be immune to incite emotion though.

Source?
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Re: WCV Powers
« Reply #9 on: May 15, 2013, 08:31:34 PM »
Harry's conversations with Bob re: souls, Susan, and True Love
I believe it would be found shortly after Harry's hand goes numb from using Soulfire, but I could be mistaken.
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Re: WCV Powers
« Reply #10 on: May 15, 2013, 08:50:08 PM »
Quote from: Tedronai on May 15, 2013, 08:31:34 PM
Harry's conversations with Bob re: souls, Susan, and True Love
I believe it would be found shortly after Harry's hand goes numb from using Soulfire, but I could be mistaken.

Can't find it.

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Re: WCV Powers
« Reply #11 on: May 15, 2013, 08:57:10 PM »
Incite emotion and emotional vampire are different powers so IMO being poor food wouldn't protect you from incite.

Edit: inserted the words "different powers"
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Re: WCV Powers
« Reply #12 on: June 14, 2013, 04:22:18 PM »
Quote from: 123456789blaaa on May 15, 2013, 08:28:15 PM
Source?

Sorry for the late reply.

I can't site an exact source, it's been repeated a few times in the novels, when Thomas talks about how WCVs work.  Maybe Dead Beat?  If nothing else, check his story, Backup.
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Re: WCV Powers
« Reply #13 on: June 14, 2013, 04:31:59 PM »
Quote from: ReaderAt2046 on May 14, 2013, 01:16:35 AM
On a related note, I know you regain all Hunger-dependent powers and clear all your Hunger stress if you feed deeply enough to kill, but the books don't seem to say how much stress/powers you get back by just feeding without killing (on-screen, I know there's a one-dot regen for feeding off-screen).
I had a thread a while back on exactly this. We never came to anything conclusive, but the best ideas were reducing hunger stress based on either the stress or consequences you inflicted in the target.
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Re: WCV Powers
« Reply #14 on: June 24, 2013, 06:46:01 AM »
Quote from: Dougansf on June 14, 2013, 04:22:18 PM
Sorry for the late reply.

I can't site an exact source, it's been repeated a few times in the novels, when Thomas talks about how WCVs work.  Maybe Dead Beat?  If nothing else, check his story, Backup.

If I'm remembering it right, he doesn't mention the soul specifically, only 'life energy', 'essence' and the likes. While that may just be another term for the soul, it could easily apply to the same well of power that a Wizard's Death Curse uses. The biological part of you that acts as an internal generator, rather than what soulfire uses.

EDIT: It would also explain why Justine looked like she'd aged 50 years after Thomas took his big bite from her. Draining the 'life energy' effectively made her into an old woman until she'd had time to regain it all.
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