Scion Question

[Scion717]

It is important to note that it only counts as killing with magic if the intent of the spell directly is to cause death. For example casting a spell that makes your sword burn? Not killing with magic. Casting a spell to cause a boulder to fall and that boulder kills a person? Not killing with magic.
Casting a spell to deliberately cause a boulder to fall and kill someone with magic is. It's a fine line though and many wardens will be likely to kill you for the grey area but intent is important.
Particularly with enchanting, you can enchant a weapon to do lots of nifty things that make it deadly as long as it isn't enchanted to kill. Shapeshifters are another good example, if you shapeshift into an animal and kill them you are killing them with magic sure, but the magic's purpose was to change your form, not focused on killing. The books talk more about this distinction I believe.

[khadgar4606]

Killing with magic is bad for your soul, whether or not its in self-defense, defense of innocents, or execution.

If you absolutely must kill, and absolutely must use magic, then use the magic to incapacitate them long enough for you to stomp their face into the mud.
That won't corrupt your soul quite so dramatically.

or use methods lead to regular dead like hearth attack due having one hell of a sex with white court vampire

[Quantus]

or use methods lead to regular dead like hearth attack due having one hell of a sex with white court vampire

White Court Vampires dont seem to be subject to Lawbreaker, at least normally, though Id argue that the heart failure is still a magical attack since it's the result of a severe drain of Chi. 

[khadgar4606]

White Court Vampires dont seem to be subject to Lawbreaker, at least normally, though Id argue that the heart failure is still a magical attack since it's the result of a severe drain of Chi.

you dont need the drain it competently just drain slowly enough to overclock the targets heart to fail. Like lara does the idea is using incite emotion to remotely throttle the heart until its no longer keep same high rhythm and enters the cardiac arrest which kills the target not you feeding until they are dry( lara and her sisters used this method to mercy kill injured guards in the book) so when butters looks the corpse he can write natural cause instead of drain completely by vampire call dresden asap.

[Quantus]

you dont need the drain it competently just drain slowly enough to overclock the targets heart to fail. Like lara does the idea is using incite emotion to remotely throttle the heart until its no longer keep same high rhythm and enters the cardiac arrest which kills the target not you feeding until they are dry( lara and her sisters used this method to mercy kill injured guards in the book) so when butters looks the corpse he can write natural cause instead of drain completely by vampire call dresden asap.

...That's still killing with a magic effect.  Might be a little harder to spot, but that's about it; it's just the equivalent of using a n ice-pick to the ear for assassination rather than a sniper bullet. 

[khadgar4606]

...That's still killing with a magic effect.  Might be a little harder to spot, but that's about it; it's just the equivalent of using a n ice-pick to the ear for assassination rather than a sniper bullet.

I dont think needs action from warden. harry might investigate it but not as warden but as P.I on case paid by some one. And warden needs to break the laws ( mind magic one ) to uncover why random muggle died erect with smile in his face. so no warden cant be bothered with it and even harry didn't know until butters basicly request him to look at corpse he got.

[Quantus]

I dont think needs action from warden. harry might investigate it but not as warden but as P.I on case paid by some one. And warden needs to break the laws ( mind magic one ) to uncover why random muggle died erect with smile in his face. so no warden cant be bothered with it and even harry didn't know until butters basicly request him to look at corpse he got.

OK, so we're agreed? It's both not a practical way for a mortal wizard to avoid Lawbreaking and also not an example of a way to kill without magic? But as a supernatural death it would still function as a story hook. 

[khadgar4606]

OK, so we're agreed? It's both not a practical way for a mortal wizard to avoid Lawbreaking and also not an example of a way to kill without magic? But as a supernatural death it would still function as a story hook.

It will act as a story event not full fledged plot hook and with out special knowledge like Thomas giving feeding info to harry. I dont think random warden can lead to case of serial killings and they still need to address and use mortal authorities which kinda big no no in wardens book. its not practical alright but leads kinda less evidence to mortal authorities since all they know and interested is its dead by natural cause so no empty shells or poison or injury via anything so they dont need to investigate the case any longer than real  ones.