Proof that Time Travel Harry did not fix Little Chicago?? (CD Spoilers)

[Griffyn612]

we know one headache was caused by Mab

we know one was caused by the parasite

we know Mab and the parasite made a deal

we know Mab promised to stop messing with Harry's head in GS

what we don't know is what caused the incidents in TC

Which headache do we know was Mab's fault?  Are you referring to the one at the end of SmF, after she's given his blasting rod back?  Because that was caused by hearing her voice when she was angry.

Where in the book did this happen? I don't recall this happening.

In the final scene of GS, Harry says she can't screw with his head.  Technically, she never acknowledges that.  So its debatable whether she agreed to it or not.

[KrelianZG]

In the final scene of GS, Harry says she can't screw with his head.  Technically, she never acknowledges that.  So its debatable whether she agreed to it or not.

I don't doubt that she may have coerced Lash (assuming that's the parasite, insert your own name if you believe otherwise) to react to a few specific things re: mind control, but I really doubt Mab's actively screwing with his head these days, agreement or not. She put a lot of work into getting Harry because he's Harry. The end of CD proves that. I think any other mortal who pulled a stunt like Harry did at the very end with her would be wishing they were dead right now. She wants Harry Dresden. Not some patchwork mental zombie version of him.

Her manipulation re: the blasting rod could have been solved by a conversation with him instead, maybe, but her reasons were totally sound.

What things does she need to hide from him these days?

[Griffyn612]

I don't doubt that she may have coerced Lash (assuming that's the parasite, insert your own name if you believe otherwise) to react to a few specific things re: mind control, but I really doubt Mab's actively screwing with his head these days, agreement or not. She put a lot of work into getting Harry because he's Harry. The end of CD proves that. I think any other mortal who pulled a stunt like Harry did at the very end with her would be wishing they were dead right now. She wants Harry Dresden. Not some patchwork mental zombie version of him.

Her manipulation re: the blasting rod could have been solved by a conversation with him instead, maybe, but her reasons were totally sound.

What things does she need to hide from him these days?

I think it's a mistake to assume we know everything that Mab has and will be plotting.  And Harry's threat to lay down against manipulation is only valid if he realizes what's happening.  If she can twist him without his realizing it, then it may suit her purposes, and still leave her with a functioning Knight. 

[Ms Duck]

Which headache do we know was Mab's fault?  Are you referring to the one at the end of SmF, after she's given his blasting rod back?  Because that was caused by hearing her voice when she was angry.
In the final scene of GS, Harry says she can't screw with his head.  Technically, she never acknowledges that.  So its debatable whether she agreed to it or not.

the one where he tries to think about the rod but can't

[Griffyn612]

the one where he tries to think about the rod but can't

Sure, we think it was Mab.  But it might have been co-opted to Lash.

I mean, it's not like we have evidence that the Fae can steal memories from someone with a kiss. 

   (completely ignores Lea doing the exact same thing to Susan in GP)

[the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh]

I mean, it's not like we have evidence that the Fae can steal memories from someone with a kiss. 
   (completely ignores Lea doing the exact same thing to Susan in GP)

And indeed, they can't; those memories were still right there when Harry unglamoured them.

[aShorty21]

And indeed, they can't; those memories were still right there when Harry unglamoured them.

That might of been a special case since they were tied to the soul gaze they had shared.

[Ms Duck]

And indeed, they can't; those memories were still right there when Harry unglamoured them.

and Harry's memories returned when Michael did his lay on hands trick

yall avoiding the point at the end where Mab admits she took his rod, ya know.

[aShorty21]

yall avoiding the point at the end where Mab admits she took his rod, ya know.

I don't think I'll forget any time Mab takes Harry's rod 

But I think we are dealing with special cases. Mab just blocked the memories of the Rod. She never intended for them to always be gone. And Michael had some WG (or Angelic) aid in removing said memory block.

I totally think that Mab is capable of completly removing standard memories from Harry's mind. She may or may not be able to remove a memory from the Sight or a SoulGaze. After GS, I don't believe that any memory is irretrivably lost. I believe that someone could restore said memories from Harry's soul to his concious body.

Now who that someone is...

• Could a very talented ectomancer do it? I don't know; maybe.
• How about Titania? Quite possibly.
• One of the Mothers? Sure, why not.
• Archangel? Definetly.

[Dedwrekka]

and Harry's memories returned when Michael did his lay on hands trick

yall avoiding the point at the end where Mab admits she took his rod, ya know.

We know mortal magic causes all sorts of problems with the person's head. both with the victim and the caster. However, the Fae are able to remove memories and affect anyone within their court or to who they've made a bargain. It's entirely possible that they can do this without causing the same harm to either the victim or themselves. We don't see Fix having headaches because of the compulsion he's under, and we don't see Susan having a constant headache when she's had memories removed.

[Ms Duck]

We know mortal magic causes all sorts of problems with the person's head. both with the victim and the caster. However, the Fae are able to remove memories and affect anyone within their court or to who they've made a bargain. It's entirely possible that they can do this without causing the same harm to either the victim or themselves. We don't see Fix having headaches because of the compulsion he's under, and we don't see Susan having a constant headache when she's had memories removed.

its first person. Unless they said something, they wouldn't

[aShorty21]

We don't see Fix having headaches because of the compulsion he's under, and we don't see Susan having a constant headache when she's had memories removed.

What compulsion is Fix under? And the majority of the time Susan's memories were removed, she was off screen.

[KrelianZG]

What compulsion is Fix under? And the majority of the time Susan's memories were removed, she was off screen.

When he and Lily couldn't give Harry any direct aid or information in Proven Guilty.

[peregrine]

Fix and Lily were prohibited from speaking about why Titania wasn't moving her armies to respond to the RC encroachment.  (I think that's what it was).

Of course, they knew about it, so their memory wasn't wiped, they just couldn't talk about it, no way of knowing what exactly was going on there.

[aShorty21]

When he and Lily couldn't give Harry any direct aid or information in Proven Guilty.

Right, then I call apples and oranges. A cumpulsion not to talk to Harry about a topic isn't the same as removing a memory, or least doesn't have to be.