[CD spoilers] Cowl = Simon reference thread

[SunlessNick]

How many times has Petrovich actually been mentioned in the books?  (Mentions of Archangel can count).

[Mortax]

From what I remember, about as much as Peabody was mentioned.

[TheCuriousFan]

How many times has Petrovich actually been mentioned in the books?  (Mentions of Archangel can count).

Mentioned at the end of Proven Guilty by Ebenezar when saying why he doesn't trust Rashid. Mentioned in Changes by Ebenezar with the "Remember Archangel!" line. Mentioned by Ebenezar again when he's revealing that he's the Blackstaff and explaining why he took out Ortega.

[KurtinStGeorge]

How many times has Petrovich actually been mentioned in the books?  (Mentions of Archangel can count).

Mentioned in Summer Knight, just before Eb became a SC member.  In fact, Simon's death caused Eb to join the SC. 

[peregrine]

Mentioned at the end of Proven Guilty by Ebenezar when saying why he doesn't trust Rashid. Mentioned in Changes by Ebenezar with the "Remember Archangel!" line. Mentioned by Ebenezar again when he's revealing that he's the Blackstaff and explaining why he took out Ortega.

Mentioned by Kincaid as well, re: Eb's attack on Ortega.

[wizard nelson]

I always assumed Peabody simply invaded some minds and the wizard(s) influenced that way just led the vampires in. It is the most simple explanation.

anyone make the peabody, kemmler connection? peabody wrote a book(don't remember the date early 1900's?) that is instrumental to using the erlking's hunter spirits to complete a darkhallow. he later turns out to be a traitor seeking the councils destruction, coincidence? i think not... peabody writing that book(in german, kemmlers native land?) is reeeal fishy to me.

[Mortax]

Wouldn't it be hilarious if Cowl was Peabody, and Dresden has been so worried about him all this time. lol (No, I don't believe this.)

That said, after some others posting, Simon is mentioned at least as often as Peabody, if not more.  Not counting the book where we get the big reveal about Peabody.  Before that I think he was mentioned several times and spoke maybe once.

[Cenphx]

Doesnt LaFortier also mention Simon when he is accusing Harry of being involved? When he claims Harry would know how to get past Simon's defense because Harry was Justin's apprenticeand Justin was Simon's? All the other dead, but important, characters have made an onscreen appearance except for Simon (Maggie Sr., Harry's dad, Justin). Unless he's Cowl.

[wizard nelson]

ahhh but thats the thing, how important is simon? unless he is cowl not very. thanks for mentioning the justin was his apprentice thing, didn't realise that and hadn't seen it brought up.

[TheCuriousFan]

ahhh but thats the thing, how important is simon? unless he is cowl not very. thanks for mentioning the justin was his apprentice thing, didn't realise that and hadn't seen it brought up.

Not important enough that Jim thought up a complete backstory for him.

http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,35160.msg1715986.html#msg1715986

On the other hand, Fred did avoid saying Simon was killed....

[Mortax]

Yep, no backstory.  Like Butters.  And the Archive.  Who is now the head of the Oblivion War.

Just because he didn't initially plan on Simon/Cowl being as important doesn't mean it didn't evolve into something else.  This is assuming the two are the same.  While I like the theory, I don't think it's conclusive.

Though Klause the Toymaker as Cowl would make me laugh my brain out of my nose.

[wizard nelson]

i had this crazy idea because of how DR was made. what if in order for the outsiders to penetrate reality they have to do it in multiple realities at once?(sorta) they can't outright take the DV because of 5(or 5 billion ) closely related paralleled worlds/timelines must be busted open at once and cowl is in fact an alternate harry in which justin raised him to be the outsider general he meant him to be. (kimori= elaine or molly) and after blowing the lock in his own dimension he moved on to the next one because the theoretical door doesn't open just because you break one lock/gate. also theoretically when merlin created DR he created alternate parallels because of the time travel involved.
anyone read the merlin conspiracy? DR is starting to remind me of romanov's island in the time travel gimmick.
all crazy, crazy WAG i know...

[madness]

The 'Cowl and Kumori as future Harry and Molly' has been a popular theory in the past though it makes even less sense now.

Cowl as an alternate dimension Harry could probably be made to check off every box needed though now that I think about it.

I don't particularly like the theory but it could be possible I guess.  The height would be an issue.  The experience level could be explained away by alternate Harry being from a more advanced point in time in his own universe (basically an older and more battle scarred version).  Cowl's interest in how Harry stacks up could be explained away as alterna-Harry wanting to see how sissy Harry (didn't get turned to the darkside or have nearly as dark or violent of a history) stacks up.

[SunlessNick]

Cowl as an alternate dimension Harry could probably be made to check off every box needed though now that I think about it.

I don't particularly like the theory but it could be possible I guess.

Me too; that's also where I stand on Petrovich as Cowl.  Mostly I think Cowl is just Cowl - his identity won't matter as much as how he got the way he is, and how much of his road Harry will eventually have to walk.