[CD spoilers] Cowl = Simon reference thread

[TheCuriousFan]

huh... then why the heck do people think its simon? cristo is much better choice? or is my timeline fuddled? intellectus sucks... shoulda asked for x-ray vision

That quote was to sink the idea that Rashid, Ebenezar, LTW, Langtry, Lafortier, Mai, or Liberty is Cowl. Simon "died" (I personally think he really did die permanently) three years before Dead Beat so isn't included in that statement about the senior council.

[Arjan]

any direct evidence against rashid being cowl? not supposed actual? the gatekeeper is busy alot which would explain why cowl is hardly ever around, if rashid is cowl then i say maggie is kimori. just a guess. is there any prof directly against cowl rashid though? being in two places at once, that sorta thing? (rashid could probably manage that of course)

If Rashid was Cowl there was no need for Cowl. Rashid would let the hordes in and we would be screwed.

The same for Cowl = Mab, Cowl = Mother Summer, .......

[wizard nelson]

If Rashid was Cowl there was no need for Cowl. Rashid would let the hordes in and we would be screwed.

The same for Cowl = Mab, Cowl = Mother Summer, .......

thats not really cowls agenda... who thinks its mab or MS? he's def human...

[TheCuriousFan]

If Rashid was Cowl there was no need for Cowl. Rashid would let the hordes in and we would be screwed.

The same for Cowl = Mab, Cowl = Mother Summer, .......

Or to use a better example, just sabotaged the ward he was making with Langtry and let the Wardens die guaranteeing no interference from them in the darkhallow.

[Arjan]

thats not really cowls agenda... who thinks its mab or MS? he's def human...

I think cowl is human too (and not Fomor) but that is not the point.

The point is that cowl can not be somebody who is already in a position of power big enough to mess everything up forever. The whole cowl persona would be useless.

[wizard nelson]

I think cowl is human too (and not Fomor) but that is not the point.

The point is that cowl can not be somebody who is already in a position of power big enough to mess everything up forever. The whole cowl persona would be useless.

not really, he we don't really know what he really wants, besides godhood. he could be the antihero type. not a nice guy but not ready to let the world burn.

[Arjan]

not really, he we don't really know what he really wants, besides godhood. he could be the antihero type. not a nice guy but not ready to let the world burn.

If I had to point one person in the dresdenfiles to have an infection it would be cowl. The white court putch was a dead giveaway. Cowl wants what nemesis wants.

[TheCuriousFan]

not really, he we don't really know what he really wants, besides godhood. he could be the antihero type. not a nice guy but not ready to let the world burn.

Not after the hex. How many people do you think would die if their cars stopped working mid use? Their pacemakers stopped? Their life support broke? That's a lot of black magic corruption to change one's thinking.

Probably infected though, that could change things like the black magic corruption.

[wizard nelson]

If I had to point one person in the dresdenfiles to have an infection it would be cowl. The white court putch was a dead giveaway. Cowl wants what nemesis wants.

he does ponder this to dresden so he can't be compromised outright.

[Arjan]

he does ponder this to dresden so he can't be compromised outright.

If you believe him but that does not matter much for the argument.

[wizard nelson]

why wouldn't you believe him? he's evil, plenty of evil without nemesis. don't make him stupid

[Arjan]

why wouldn't you believe him? he's evil, plenty of evil without nemesis. don't make him stupid

We know Cowl is not stupid.

I would not believe everything Cowl says. He has a cover to maintain. The white court coup was clearly an attempt to place an infected vittorio as the head of the white court. Lash said he was possessed by an outsider. Judging him by what he does and not by what he said I say outsider infected.
 

[123456789blaaa]

Cowl also implies that he usually had to do the hard work instead of Corpsetaker or Grevane when he released the Erlking from Harry's trap.

I wouldn't be so sure that Grevane and Corpsetaker weren't SC level.  They were stronger than Harry one-on-one, and it didn't seem that they were pulling out all the stops.  Do we have a better way to measure the difference between Harry's strength and a low-end SC member's strength?

How does him doing all the hard work make him a kemmlerite? He could simply be a normal wizard using necromancy.

I'm really really sure Corpsetaker isn't SC level. Heck, in GS MOLLY was able to hold her off for a pretty significant amount of time. Remember that mind magic is Corpsetakers speciality and we know that SC wizards are super awesome in their areas of speciality (Eb is a direct combat specialist and he was able to cause a freakin earthquake. The Merlin is a ward specialist and he was able to create a ward that held of the ENTIRE Red Court (If I'm remembering correctly) ). Molly should have been squished in an instant. 

We saw that Grevane was charging into battle against Corpsetaker (and she against him) so they clearly thought they could beat each other.

We know Cowl is not stupid.

I would not believe everything Cowl says. He has a cover to maintain. The white court coup was clearly an attempt to place an infected vittorio as the head of the white court. Lash said he was possessed by an outsider. Judging him by what he does and not by what he said I say outsider infected.

I don't see why Cowl can't be infected and be trying to do what he thinks is good at the same time. We saw that Auora was infected and she clearly thought she was doing good. Sure Cowl isn't as insane as her but we've seen that their are varying degrees of infection (cat sith was completely infected for example).

[wizard nelson]

i find it interesting harry later mirrors cowl pondering his own sanity in his office

[Arjan]

I don't see why Cowl can't be infected and be trying to do what he thinks is good at the same time. We saw that Auora was infected and she clearly thought she was doing good. Sure Cowl isn't as insane as her but we've seen that their are varying degrees of infection (cat sith was completely infected for example).

He might think he is doing the good thing if that makes him easier to manage by the outsiders but that does not matter for what he does. For what makes him act.

It is like mind magic. The smart thing is to change just enough so the subject will do what you want him to do. Outright possession is always less efficient and is only to be expected when other options fail.

But the motivations of the infected, the things that really make him move, are the motivations of the outsider managing the infection not the delusions used to keep him under control.

So watch cowls actions, not his words, to see what really makes him move.